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Concise refutations of common anti arguments p 2

Posted by Dissident on Saturday, October 25 2014 at 03:19:19AM

Without any ado whatsoever...

"I agree that in a perfect world, we could trust adults and youths to have romantic relations without worrying that numerous adults would harm the kids. But it's not a perfect world, so..."

The use of the word "perfect" in this context has a deliberately loaded intention. The world doesn't have to be "perfect" to allow this to happen, but only to function under a system that's better than what we have now.

"I think many of the pro-contacters are just looking for unrestricted sexual access to children..."

No matter how you frame this concern, the claim that large numbers of us are effectively a bunch of creeps who are guided by nothing but lust is an insult and an extreme generalization. Any policy based on widespread mistrust of any particular group of people cannot be anything but biased and draconian.

"But even if just a few of you are that way, even one child being abused is too much."

No denial that "even one is too much," but it's impossible to achieve a state of complete security, and any attempt to do so would not result in any type of society that is in any way remotely based on freedom and democratic principles.

"I admit my faith in humanity is very low, which is why I support policies on the 'better to be safe than sorry' principle."

As noted above, no policy based on rampant distrust of your fellow person, let alone outright misanthropy, is one that anyone interested in freedom should be inclined to follow. Cynics and misanthropes have never made good leaders or policymakers for very good reasons.

"We're talking about children here, dammit!"

Emotionally manipulative exclamation that serves as a potent attempt to distract from the main argument.

"This issue is not black and white, dammit!"

Any version of the freedom vs. security argument is indeed not black and white; both have arguable pros and cons. We simply argue that choosing freedom over tight security has cons that are easier to live with than the alternative.

"A youth under 18 [especially a girl] is more likely to regret a liaison with an adult than someone of a comparable age."

And that's a reason for total prohibition of choice? Many choices we make throughout life have the potential to come with regrets, but this is how we learn and grow, and why we educate ourselves to learn all the facts so that we can make the best possible decisions as individuals. This also ignores the fact that great regret can also come from things that you choose not to do, as opposed to things that you choose to engage in.

"The pro-choicers have no compassion for abuse victims!"

Wrong. We have limited tolerance at times of those who feel that having been subjected to abuse in the past is an excuse for hatred, revenge, malicious behavior in general, and willful misrepresentation of facts as a result of the above. Many who have suffered abuse have sought to heal and come to terms with their pain, and do not ask for exceptionalist treatment or give into hatred and revenge, and these abuse victims are worth an immense amount of respect as well as compassion.

"The pro-choicers do not want to acknowledge the reality of abuse."

To quote my British friends: Bollicks! We fully acknowledge that abuse is a major problem in this society. We simply do not accept that there is a direct connection between intergenerational sexual contact per se and abuse. We also do not ignore the fact that the great majority of sexual abuse occurs in the home and isn't perpetrated by adults or older teens with a preferential attraction for children or pubescents.

"You're all just a bunch of pervs!"

Translation: You should be ashamed of the sexual component of your attraction base! Sorry, but we aren't, nor do we think we should be. This leads to unproductive self-hatred, as well as hatred of our own community.

"All most of you ever talk or care about is sex with kids!"

Translation: I'm so pissed at all of you for being unwaveringly pro-choice that I can't help but read the posts on this board very selectively! This is also a variation of the anti-sex belief that if someone has a desire to be sexual with someone they are attracted to (i.e., a typical romantic attraction), this must mean that sex is the only thing they could possibly want.

"I think your motives for youth liberation are skeptical considering your attraction base."

This is a variation of the slur that our loins dominate our thought processes, as well as trying to make it seem like there is something inherently noble about a MAP not wanting to have the type of romantic relationships that are natural for them to desire; and something intrinsically sinister or selfish about the reverse.

More in the future!



Dissident





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