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My two cents

Posted by Iron Marxist on Sunday, September 13 2009 at 4:36:34PM
In reply to Why does my LGF keep flashing me? I can't stop her posted by azure on Saturday, September 12 2009 at 4:18:10PM

Azure, I am going to do my best to give you some advice here. I have no idea at this time whether or not you are a genuine GLer, as some posters seem to think, or whether or not you are a troll or an anti attempting to bait us into encouraging you to engage in illegal sexual behavior or admitting some ourselves so that we provide you with "dirt" that you can use against this board or to prove some idiotic point to someone about how MAA's are and behave. Though Shenanigans has his own gruff style for attempting to point out bullshit, I have to confess that I sometimes worry that the reason certain posters shout him down is because they are titilated and entertained by the sexual nature of your stories. The last thing this board needs is for someone to go overboard with "entertaining" the posters here in this way. Most of us on this board are good people (and I hope that includes you, Azure) but I still worry that some of them may be willing to swallow bullshit if it comes flavored with the "naughty" exploits of underage girls. Please don't take offense to this; I am not outright condemning you, because I do not believe I have enough evidence to peg you as a fraud, even though I agree that it's probably not a wise idea for the mods to let you into chat right now.

With that said, I will be slightly hard on you (for the sake of my concern for the safety of the board) but at the same time do my best to be fair to you (in case you really are what you purport to be...a fellow MAA in a difficult situation who needs advice).

I can believe that certain children, including 10 year olds (who are by then slightly into 'tweenhood') could be sexual exhibitionists, and use exposure of their bodies in order to get certain types of attention. Doubtless some of them are attempting to test your limits out of curiosity, especially since you seem to be an adult who has different moral judgements on young girls showing off their bodies than does the average adult, who would unhesitatingly condemn it.

Now, let me say this: I do not believe there is anything morally wrong with a 10 year old girl showing off her body to someone that she trusts. I believe that regardless of the attitudes of decorum that our society creates, her body belongs to her alone. She seems to be a perfect candidate to be a model with her proudness of her body. Girls that age, or even younger, are capable of knowing that they can be sexually attractive, and this may be a way of getting attention from you. If I was in your situation, I would hate to have to tell her to stop doing this, not simply because I enjoyed looking at her body but because I hate to come off as morally judgemental about these things or to make her self-conscious about her body. I disagree with our society's claim that children are asexual and therefore there is something "obscene" about them showing off their bodies. In fact, if I knew this girl personally, I would encourage her to become a model so she could show off her body publicly and legally (though not any nude modeling in this era) to whoever would be willing to look, and that could satisfy the exhibitionist streak in her, if that was what she wanted.

If her displays were for me alone, though, I would be highly flattered and honored, and I understand that this is the closest you could ever come to having a sexual relationship with a girl in your AoA.

However, we do not currently live in a world where an underage girl can flaunt her sexuality without getting into big trouble for it. And like Kero told you, if another adult caught her exhibiting herself to you, and saw that you weren't objecting to it, then you could be removed from her presence for good and even labeled a "pervert." According to the rules of our society, an adult male does not receive any sort of pleasure or gratification for looking at the body of an underage girl. We all know this is silly and detached from reality, because many, many adults find underage girls' bodies to be attractive, not just in a sexual sense but also aesthetically as the youthful form is a natural work of art. But currently, the law is more powerful than we are. Underage girls have few civil rights, and the right to sexual expression certainly isn't one of them. We, unfortunately, have to follow these unrealistic and insane rules if we want to remain free citizens. Our only alternative is to protest and advocate for change, but we have to work within the law as we do so, and we have to accept the fact that this means we cannot cross any sexual boundaries with underage girls for the rest of our lives. It sucks immensely, but that is our lot in life to bear for being born into this time period.

Hence, you have no other choice but to explain to this LGF of yours that though you find her to be really beautiful and her attentions flattering, as an adult in this society you do not have the luxury of allowing her to do this. You don't have to tell her that it's "wrong" (I certainly don't believe this) but you do have to tell her that it's against the rules of decorum and that you have no power to protect her from the consequences of her actions. This may serve to make her think that showing off her body is somehow inherently "wrong," but I'm sure you can explain it in such a way as to make her understand that it's merely against our cultural norms even though it's perfectly normal.

Again, I know this sucks, but it's the only choice you have, especially if you want to keep spending time with this girl. Do not give into any temptation and do not let her "seduce" you, because contrary to popular belief young girls can be very seductive, and once they discover the power of their sexuality they will sometimes use it to get attention and turn things to their advantage. There is probably little in this world that is more fascinating to a young girl who is fast becoming aware of her own desirability that she can use such power to affect certain adult males, which conventional wisdom has always told her is above her sexual charms and off limits to her as anything other than an authority figure. And I know you don't want to come off as an authority figure to this girl, but you want her to treat you as much like a peer as possible. But again, the law and our cultural mores do not allow this.

Now, with that said and that advice offered, I will say that there is good reason why I do not form friendships with underage girls in my AoA. I don't want to be tempted, I don't want to be seduced, and I don't want to take the risk of being sexually manipulated or persuaded to do something that might get me (and her) into a lot of trouble. I'm not saying my self-control is weak, but I am only human and I don't want to constantly place myself into the throes of temptation. For those MAA's who insist on doing so, and insist on forming relationships with underage girls (or boys) in their AoA and insist that their self-control is unswerving (even if it is considerable) then eventually they run the risk of becoming close to a girl who has the same tendencies to "show off" her body or flaunt her sexuality like your LGF. And their self-control will be pushed to the limit. I am confident that most MAA's will be up to the test, but being subjected to something like this on a regular basis? I don't recommend such things. But that is just me. Since you are one of the ones who insist on having a young girl in your life you are going to have to learn to deal with things like temptation. None of us here are going to tell you to "go for it." And I truly hope that this was not the type of reaction you were hoping for and that you weren't "testing the waters" for this.

You do seem to have a lot of stories like this, Azure, and you seem to delight in fairly graphic detail, so I will say that if you are merely out to titilate the posters here, you will succeed with some, but others are going to see through you. This is not a place to share sexual stories, regardless of whether or not they are real. But I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you are a real GLer for now and give you my two cents. I wanted to tell you what I thought you should do in this situation without coming off like a pious individual who has a moral objection with youth sexuality. I hope my two cents was worth its weight in change to you.

Iron Marxist





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