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My retort!

Posted by Dissident on Thursday, October 08 2020 at 02:37:29AM
In reply to ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ and before you say another *opinion* posted by Children First! on Tuesday, October 06 2020 at 2:24:29PM

If you read my own definition of Love and are now thinking as a possible retort "I don't really love you back, so your definition doesn't seem to make sense! I don't want to put my body back together with you! I don't know you well enough!"

Omg. You thought I was going to say something like that? C'mon now, CF, you can't think I am that bad!

Though, back to what I was saying, I use the word 'attempt' implying the possibility that feelings/ideas may not be mutual between two people/humans or animals when feelings of 'love' occur, and may only be one-sided which usually is the case in reality. Reality is tricky business.

I noted this in my definition of Love elsewhere in this thread. That is why I believe the introduction of respect, particularly mutual respect, must be part of the equation to prevent that one-sidedness. This is why, for example, I first and foremost love girls as people rather than a societal/spiritual conception of them. Reality, I think we can both agree, has a lot of nuance in it.

and again, that type of misinterpretation is how you have initially (not exactly 'superficially') viewed a great deal of what I am desperately trying to express, as you opinionate from a standpoint that takes the bad out of the good -or the good out of the bad arbitrarily, which is quite annoying...

As I noted before, condescension is very annoying. If you happen to annoy others, they will tend to annoy you back. That is not a put-down but a statement of common expectation.

writing of which, may not have been written specifically for you in the first place anyway.

Note that there is no rule on the forum that says one can only respond to someone's words here only if said words were directed at them specifically. That is not even breaking unwritten rules of courtesy or decorum on a board that allows for civil debate between all posters.

Just to say it: Why did you answer for someone else? Is that fair? Should the internet be treated differently than in real life? Is that not an arrogant thing to do? Do you really feel like you can speak for anybody, or say what is best?

I spoke on behalf of Butterfly Kisses, not "for" her, and to make it clear how I felt about the views and attitude you seemed to be expressing. Is it fair? Yes, because one must expect that on a public debate forum. Should the Internet be treated differently than real life? Yes, for many reasons, but that also depends on where you may be having the discussion in real life. A university classroom is a considerably different environment than a small holiday family dinner or a corporate boardroom, for instance. Do I really feel I can speak for anyone? No, but I can speak my own mind, which is what I did. Or say what it best? No, but I can say what I feel is best just as you said what you felt was best.

The questions I have are rhetorical, and frankly, I would appreciate not hearing a response to.

With all due respect, CF, that is too bad. You do not dictate the rules of engagement here, the moderators and the Chat Rules do. I told you before how a newbie throwing their weight around like this comes off to others. If you do not want to ever be challenged or have someone enter a conversation you are having with another to present their own two cents, then a public forum is not for you.

It's ok man, calm down, I know. I read your previous comments, I don't want to challenge THE GOOD parts of them. PLEASE don't make this worse than it MAY seem.

In that case, do not tell me what the rules here are, and if you feel I am violating one, then kindly refer me to the rule in question that is listed on the section of the site detailing the Chat Rules--which I am eminently familiar with already after 20 years on this board and having served on the moderating team myself for years. If you feel all of that counts for nothing, then I must beg to differ with you on that.

Anybody can do that kind of criticism to anybody's work, just the same way many great writers can be criticized, which is fair, because language itself is never fair enough to do reality justice. This is the challenge of writing, and also why I hate it. Writing is not reality.

My advice, then: Do not challenge others here if you do not think that you should be challenged.

You have your ideals and I have mine, and the ideals I have I am going to continue to stick with for the rest of my life, but definitely work on the quality of it's presentation to avoid such criticism ever happening again if at all possible.

Thank you. That is honestly and in essence all I was suggesting. But as you pointed out, we both have some conflicting ideals that neither of us will bend on, so disagreements need to be expected.

Thanks for the stimulating conversation. I needed that. We need more people like you in this world.

More people that would challenge you? You can't really believe that lol ;P


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