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Hebephilia debate continues
Posted by DanielRumanos on 2020-March-05 09:16:52 EST, ThursdayTwo new papers discussing hebephilia have appeared in the Archives of Sexual Behavior. In “Hebephilia: A Postmortem Dissection” philosopher Patrick Singy expands upon his previous analysis of the hebephilia debate, rejecting several arguments for classifying hebephilia as a mental disorder while affirming that it is ultimately a political decision.
In “The Imperialism of Historical Arrogance: Where Is the Past in the DSM’s Idea of Sexuality?“, classical scholar Simon Goldhill argues that it would be historically and culturally ignorant to classify hebephilia as a disorder.
First, the age of marriage and the age of sexual attractiveness were normatively defined by menarche in ancient Athens (the city for which we have most evidence (Davidson, 2007; Dover, 1978; Halperin, 1990; Lear & Cantarella, 2008; Winkler, 1989, 1990). That is, medical sources as well as social ethics argue that marriage as soon as possible after menarche is required for reasons of health and desirability. A virgin on her wedding day is the icon of erotic attraction (Oakley & Sinos, 1993)—indeed so familiarly recognized as such that when Aphrodite, the goddess of desire herself, wishes to seduce the shepherd prince Anchises, she appears on the mountain-top precisely as a virgin in her wedding gown. The Hippocratic treatise On the Diseases of Virgins outlines symptoms that plague young girls if they start to menstruate but do not marry and have intercourse (King, 1998). […] Most scholars agree that 14–15 was the usually expected female age for marriage, 25–35 for men.
Even more strikingly, there is a vast amount of literature, not only from Athens but from throughout the Greek world until late into the Roman Empire, which establishes that the young male at the point of puberty—‘‘when the down first appears upon the cheek’’is the standard definition—is a privileged object of sexual desire for men within Hellenic cultural norms.
In summary, Goldhill writes, “it would seem that for Blanchard and his supporters [of the hebephilia diagnosis] a whole culture and its norms would need to be determined as diseased.”
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- Psychiatry is BS - girlzRprettiest on 2020-March-06 17:50:37 EST, Friday - (19 / 0 / 33)
- Fizzy keyatrists - Gimwinkle on 2020-March-06 18:23:06 EST, Friday - (19 / 0 / 32)
- Psychiatry deals with psychological disorders - girlzRprettiest on 2020-March-07 04:07:29 EST, Saturday - (18 / 0 / 31)
- Harm - manbot on 2020-March-07 19:37:26 EST, Saturday - (19 / 0 / 1)
- Same thing. - hierophant on 2020-March-10 02:22:41 EDT, Tuesday - (18 / 0 / 0)
- Daffy nitions - Gimwinkle on 2020-March-07 07:39:44 EST, Saturday - (19 / 0 / 0)
- intrigued... - Eeyore on 2020-March-07 04:22:49 EST, Saturday - (15 / 0 / 27)
- Conservative because ethnocentric - girlzRprettiest on 2020-March-08 00:01:45 EST, Sunday - (17 / 0 / 26)
- You're like smart and stuff. - hierophant on 2020-March-08 10:23:44 EDT, Sunday - (18 / 0 / 1)
- Thanks! I try my best! nt - girlzRprettiest on 2020-March-08 21:53:48 EDT, Sunday - (17 / 0 / 0)
- Conservative? I wish - manbot on 2020-March-08 09:55:00 EDT, Sunday - (20 / 0 / 16)
- "conservative" = "supportive of status quo" - girlzRprettiest on 2020-March-08 21:52:26 EDT, Sunday - (19 / 0 / 15)
- rapid evolution - Baldur on 2020-March-29 08:50:12 EDT, Sunday - (19 / 0 / 2)
- I was referring to natural selection - girlzRprettiest on 2020-April-08 08:34:22 EDT, Wednesday - (18 / 0 / 1)
- false distinction between natural and artificial - Baldur on 2020-April-12 00:24:05 EDT, Sunday - (17 / 0 / 0)
- I was referring to natural selection - girlzRprettiest on 2020-April-08 08:34:22 EDT, Wednesday - (18 / 0 / 1)
- Known good state - manbot on 2020-March-11 20:04:41 EDT, Wednesday - (17 / 0 / 5)
- No evidence that pedophilia is "natural" (genetic) - girlzRprettiest on 2020-March-16 02:44:55 EDT, Monday - (20 / 0 / 4)
- Cultural conjecture - manbot on 2020-March-19 01:46:27 EDT, Thursday - (18 / 0 / 2)
- Please translate your acronyms! - girlzRprettiest on 2020-March-20 07:09:38 EDT, Friday - (17 / 0 / 1)
- Please prove your conjectures! - manbot on 2020-March-21 23:39:21 EDT, Saturday - (16 / 0 / 0)
- Please translate your acronyms! - girlzRprettiest on 2020-March-20 07:09:38 EDT, Friday - (17 / 0 / 1)
- Pedo emancipation - sadlife on 2020-March-16 11:05:47 EDT, Monday - (18 / 0 / 0)
- Cultural conjecture - manbot on 2020-March-19 01:46:27 EDT, Thursday - (18 / 0 / 2)
- No evidence that pedophilia is "natural" (genetic) - girlzRprettiest on 2020-March-16 02:44:55 EDT, Monday - (20 / 0 / 4)
- toys in the gattic - Eeyore on 2020-March-09 04:26:23 EDT, Monday - (18 / 0 / 5)
- The stats aren't reliable evidence - girlzRprettiest on 2020-March-15 23:00:48 EDT, Sunday - (17 / 0 / 4)
- wiki wiki - Eeyore on 2020-March-22 09:26:08 EDT, Sunday - (16 / 0 / 3)
- Again, sorry for the late reply, been super busy - girlzRprettiest on 2020-April-08 08:13:51 EDT, Wednesday - (17 / 0 / 1)
- twin studies - Baldur on 2020-April-12 00:53:16 EDT, Sunday - (18 / 0 / 0)
- forgot link - Eeyore on 2020-March-22 11:06:25 EDT, Sunday - (15 / 0 / 0)
- Again, sorry for the late reply, been super busy - girlzRprettiest on 2020-April-08 08:13:51 EDT, Wednesday - (17 / 0 / 1)
- wiki wiki - Eeyore on 2020-March-22 09:26:08 EDT, Sunday - (16 / 0 / 3)
- The stats aren't reliable evidence - girlzRprettiest on 2020-March-15 23:00:48 EDT, Sunday - (17 / 0 / 4)
- rapid evolution - Baldur on 2020-March-29 08:50:12 EDT, Sunday - (19 / 0 / 2)
- "conservative" = "supportive of status quo" - girlzRprettiest on 2020-March-08 21:52:26 EDT, Sunday - (19 / 0 / 15)
- great post. - Eeyore on 2020-March-08 06:58:39 EDT, Sunday - (15 / 0 / 4)
- SLR, been super busy with school and stuff - girlzRprettiest on 2020-March-12 23:05:51 EDT, Thursday - (15 / 0 / 3)
- must have been the Roses - Eeyore on 2020-March-13 05:34:30 EDT, Friday - (16 / 0 / 2)
- Awesome posts guys - sadlife on 2020-March-13 12:27:22 EDT, Friday - (18 / 0 / 1)
- I am sorry... - Eeyore on 2020-March-14 05:42:54 EDT, Saturday - (14 / 0 / 0)
- Awesome posts guys - sadlife on 2020-March-13 12:27:22 EDT, Friday - (18 / 0 / 1)
- must have been the Roses - Eeyore on 2020-March-13 05:34:30 EDT, Friday - (16 / 0 / 2)
- SLR, been super busy with school and stuff - girlzRprettiest on 2020-March-12 23:05:51 EDT, Thursday - (15 / 0 / 3)
- secular priests - Baldur on 2020-March-08 00:15:06 EST, Sunday - (17 / 0 / 1)
- I don't think we're in Kansas anymore, Toto. - Gimwinkle on 2020-March-08 12:29:48 EDT, Sunday - (15 / 0 / 0)
- You're like smart and stuff. - hierophant on 2020-March-08 10:23:44 EDT, Sunday - (18 / 0 / 1)
- Conservative because ethnocentric - girlzRprettiest on 2020-March-08 00:01:45 EST, Sunday - (17 / 0 / 26)
- Harm - manbot on 2020-March-07 19:37:26 EST, Saturday - (19 / 0 / 1)
- Psychiatry deals with psychological disorders - girlzRprettiest on 2020-March-07 04:07:29 EST, Saturday - (18 / 0 / 31)
- Fizzy keyatrists - Gimwinkle on 2020-March-06 18:23:06 EST, Friday - (19 / 0 / 32)
- Oh, you can marry the girls - sadlife on 2020-March-06 10:06:56 EST, Friday - (20 / 0 / 1)
- just don't get the boys pregnant. - hierophant on 2020-March-06 13:26:39 EST, Friday - (18 / 0 / 0)
- Well, I would agree... - Gimwinkle on 2020-March-05 09:26:22 EST, Thursday - (18 / 0 / 1)
- no..society is diseased... - Sobakevich on 2020-March-05 20:53:52 EST, Thursday - (18 / 0 / 0)