Yu seem to be assuming that I'm "defending" Tafkaps because of some ideological solidarity which isn't the case. I only oppose at a personal level those who either I suspect of not being a gl or who drag things down to a personal level anyway. I'm merely following the logical extension of my opinion:

" the whole point of GC is that all kinds of GLs come together to talk. There are many different kinds of GL so some could claim to be morally superior to another kind of GL. For example a TLer could say that TL is superior to pre-pubescent GL because a teen girl is older and therefore more capable of giving consent. Provided they are not harming LGs or breaking the rules of GC I see no reason to ban any poster no matter how much you dislike thier views or thoughts.

You didn't seem to have a problem with it back when I said it but now you do hence my concern for someone I value as an example of good MAA. I realise you are not calling for Tafkaps to be banned but your objection to him seems to be getting increasingly personal which I find worrying.

Diss just because I believe that someone who chooses prostitution because they have no viable alternative is not infact making a choice does not make me anti-choice. I don't know why you're so keen to paint me as anti-choice. I admit I've made less pro-YL statements recently in part because I feel I've said most of what i can on the topic and anything else is a rehash of old posts. Also in part because I've become more cynical regarding actual solutions, that doesn't mean my views have changed just the way I express them.

How can I be anti-youth rights Diss? Up until recently I was technically a teenager and were I living in America I would still be unable to drink alcohol legally. It wouldn't be in my own interest to be anti-YL nevermind the whole GL issue. The real world is about compromise, so fucking what if Tafkaps isn't YL-friendly, should I care? It's a hell of a lot more useful to have him sitting on the sidelines with a vested interest in both parties than to push him into the opposing team.

And I've stood my ground against NUMEROUS people at a time bashing me for my views on youth rights off of this board, and if you saw that going on, I would be willing to bet my entire life savings that you would admire them, rather than me.

Who says I can't admire you both? I do admire the fact you stick up for your beliefs even when you are bashing other people but that doesn't mean that I don't think you aren't shooting yourself in the foot with the silly flames and arguements you've been giving in to lately.

Your real objective here, I think, is to defend his views, and try to get me to ultimately modify my pro-choice views to be more sympathetic with the moral imperatives of those who today control youths

Why? What do I have to gain by the moral imperatives of those who control todays youths? That is why we are in this together, we have very real and very dangerous enemies. They don't give a fuck about YL or anti-YL, they want our blood and if we keep fighting amongst ourselves they're going to get it and I don't want that to happen.

I've been in the real world recently and I've met those who control todays youth and guess what most of them are ordinary people just like you and me. Most of them do want the best for their kids and I don't feel comfortable homogenising them into one big child-hating lump. Yes, I agree the current systems and conventions of control are unjust but that doesn't make every parent our enemy.

Our real enemies right now are not the overprotecting parents but the callous and uncaring parents. If you don't agree with me ask some kids whether they'd prefer to be controlled or shipped off to Tranquility bay or any other gulag school. I know which I'd prefer. Maybe we should get people to treat kids as human beings before we try to give them equal rights. I'm not disagreeing with the goal just how we should get there.

The thing about Mike Van Hauten that causes you to speak out against him (something you hesitated to do before he was banned) is how much you feared his strong pro-choice stance, and had little to do with his attitude problems.

Bullshit diss and you know it. To be honest I suspect the real reason was that he was continuosly picking fights with the mods and as is repeated almost continously "GC is not a democracy". NFiH was more than justified in slinging Mike out. He was a fanatic and an intellectual bully. He spouted a load of garbage and when he got called on it he went and had a temper tantrum. He was also unwilling to finish our discussion despite the fact he was happy to give excuses for a mistake that NFiH called him for in the thread, so i have little respect for him as a person and as a debater. I did however admire the fact he stuck to his beliefs no matter how often they were ridiculed however Hitler did the same so it may not be much of a compliment. I'm hardly afraid of confronting him as he can almost certainly still read this. If he reads this and wants to have it out on another board I'm more than happy to take it there provided it doesn't annoy or break the rules there.

Stop talking to me as an ally, Invictus, because I do not consider you to remotely fit that appellation. You are not one of the many people here who have earned my respect.

I have no need or desire of your respect if it is conditional on agreeing with you on every issue or from refraining from telling my point of view. Believe it or not I did once respect you and to a degree still do i just think that if we are to ever gain our freedom even if it is just to exist we can't dismiss people just because they don't agree with us or because their views don't coincide with our own. I'm fed up of the division and cliques that riddle these boards. It's so much easier not to do anything when everyone's your enemy, there's always an excuse "it's not my fault it's because of the antis/CAs/LEOs/YL/anti-YL/blah blah. In the end it comes down to a choice, do we want to spend our lives wasting time complaining about this and that or do we want to enact real change.

In the nearly 3 years I've been here things haven't changed in the real world. sure there's new faces and old faces and some old faces with new names but what's actually been done whats actually changed? People drift in get the support they need and then drift off again, some stay in one capacity or another but most of the old-timers have a much more casual approach and maybe that's all GC is, a place to find acceptance when no-one else would listen and if so can we please leave the politics at the door or at least not take them so seriously and personally. But if GC is about real change then I'm sorry but you're just going to have to deal with working with people you don't always agree with and compromise otherwise you're doing more harm than good in the end.

Our enemies and our struggle is real and Tafkaps is on the recieving end as much as you or I. United we stand, divided we fall, it's that simple.


I don't honestly give a shit. There is no distinction. Talking about it and trading images are the exact same sick, fucked up, awful action. Both need to be burned, or driven so far back underground that maybe some of them will realize 'Hey, this isn't right, I need a shrink. Or maybe I should chew on shotgun for the betterment of humanity.'
-SlaveTrader, SA goon