And I'm sure you hold your beliefs sincerely and for philosophical reasons.

Actually, I hold them because they work.

Everything I know about girls, I learned from successive LGFs.

I was not a little girl growing up (though then as well as now I occasionally had trannie fantasies); none of the girls in my family was close enough to me to be taught by her; and while I had crushes and some had some amount of reciprocity, none became a relationship of enough depth to learn from it.

Everything I say about girls, I can trace to an original source who was a girl who was an LGF at the time.

Sure I read books, magazine articles and websites. But same as a travel book, magazine or website gives you a rough first idea but cannot faithfully reproduce the perceptive experience of being in the place described, they cannot reproduce the context, nuance and detail of what happens when you take the time to observe the girl and listen to her.

It is one of those of history's happy coincidences that your appearance online and on GC is simultaneos with the occurrence in my RL of several different events which feature a certain girl. The girl from whom I have learned the most from in all my life. The girl who is, unquestionably, the most important girl in my life so far, because she changed my life, decisively and in many ways. And that girl happens to have taught me, among all the things she taught me, the wrongness of many of your propositions and most certainly the propositions regarding general positions on child autonomy vis a vis non-pedo adults.

I could defer to Dissident and construct a human rights argument for autonomy. I think it works in terms of debating.

But the more you appeal to the concept that "people are different and not everyone can be relied upon every time" the more that this girl's experience stands out. And as it stands out, it reaffirms the concept that humans are fallible, but also that precizely because humans are fallible, the duty is to source every decision as locally as possible. In our case, to listen to what she says, what she wants, what she does and what she needs. Not to what others think she should be saying, wanting, doing and needing.

And this doesn't mean to not steer her away from self-destructed or wrongly weighted decisions. But it demands to understand why she chose them and how you can build alternatives for her that she can freely choose. Trying to make it impossible for her to choose those decisions is probably not going to work anyway and certainly not going to tell her why you think she shouldn't.

No matter what her birth certificate says, this lovely girl positively is an adult. Except, fortunately, in how she looks :) Treating her as anything else than an adult is not an option. At least, if you want her to respect you. And if you want her to listen to you, first she has to respect you.

Or whose halo may disappear in the face of sexual temptation.

If anything, the sexier she looks, the more angelic I am. Exactly because her looking sexy reminds me better to care for her relationships, and drives the point home better of the self-confidence she has.

I totally know that my chances, while not zero, are very low, to ever make my dreams come true with her. So that too is at play. One day she may stop looking so sexy in public, and if I don't have her at home to arrive to, these moments will be all that is left of that divinely inspired sight.

Your ideology is geared to be very skeptical of parents and ready to conspire with a child against parental rules and notification at little provocation.

Depends on what you think is little provocation.

I have no qualms to conspire with her against parental rules or notification. And she knows it.

I don't even think her parents (and other adults aligned with her parents) are wrong on everything that she's disliked - although I think they were in most things.

But she turns to me, and trusts me, and allows me to help her, exactly because even if I think her parents are right and she is wrong, that I am willing to still listen to her, to not judge her, and to not rat on her.

But most of them will inevitably find that a child tends to follow a much older person's opinions and desires. Children are built to learn from and emulate grown-ups they like and trust.

And that like and trust must be gained. It is not granted.

If I don't treat her right, she will never have them, or soon lose them.

If I use them for wrongful purpozes, she'll realize soon, and then she'll lose them if she has a moral spine of her own. And if she doesn't, then obviously her previous education left her unable to decide things for herself and if it hadn't been a molester, it would have been someone else: a gang, an abusive boyfriend...

Only if I treat her right and use that like and trust for positive purpozes will it last, and have a chance to grow and deepen. And that is the only way any pedo has any kind of influence on any child. Other ways, such as bribe or coercion (much less violence) change only the behavior of the child, but not their opinions and perspectives. And any modification of her behavior will last only as long as the incentive lasts.

And amazingly, despite repeated times this key year when I have been unable (not unwilling, unable) to meet her demands, this girl trusts me more now, at the end of August, more than she did in the beginning of the year. Because she has seen all of the above. Because she has seen I will treat her right and not use my influence on her negatively, while (even while, despite, or because, that's irrelevant here) still I will not just be an unquestioning proxy for her parents. If I had not kept to this line during this key year, I'm sure she wouldn't care about me anymore. And as much as I would be unable to use my influence to get into her pants, I would also be unable to use it to make her improve her own life, as I humbly think I am.

pedophiles are somehow immune to such temptations? Never to suggest touching when it's not her idea, never to interpret touching in a sexual way unless it was her idea, never to do just a bit more sexual stuff than she wants, to never think too hard about what her sudden silence might mean

One girl tells me no mouth kissing, not even a little peck; I accept that and that's the end.

Her sister pouts and mouth kisses me, a few times slips her tongue; I accept that and that's the end too.

I know that kiss is playful and loving, but not overtly sexual. I know she isn't using it as foreplay intended to end in [edit]

I know that kiss is arosing to me, and it triggers a sexual readiness response from my body.

I know that in another world I would probably allow us to continue to foreplay more and more, to wherever it may lead.

I know in this world, this must not happen, so I allow us to change the subject and do something else, blue balls and all.

But I also don't rebuff her with words, because that would be introducing into her act the overtly sexual overtone she didn't intend. And that would contaminate the experience. Not for me, for her. And any subsequent experience, and maybe any previous experience. Why do that to her?