"Unless you don't think a 'political face' is even of value."

I do.

We already had PNVD in the Netherlands. We might see their kind again. And if we do, like PNVD, they probably won't be a project organized in public on an open forum.

OTOH the influence of the psychiatric community on laying the groundwork for Gay acceptance was pretty big. B4UACT have made much headway there. But since VirPed smears them and seems more interested in sound-bites with the press than on substantial partnership with MHPs, they probably won't be much help. The fact that they mix these two different goals so much that their representatives can't seem to disentangle the two doesn't bode well.

Dante