Also the difference between intellectualizing and feeling. A man that avoids contact with girls in his AoA and a man that takes care of one 20 hours a week are not likely to have the same views. My comments were from emotional sources and meant half in humor, which seems to be lacking in this 'debate'.

I think there is too much criticizing and preaching of the OP and not enough appreciation for his courage and right to make decisions based on his need to protect his relationship with his LG.

The thing is, luvme, is that some of us support looking at the big picture, and making fundamental change that would be beneficial for all, not simply working towards supporting the continuation of one tiny little nest egg amongst millions of people in the nation. I'm not sure that protecting your one small personal relationship constitutes courage so much as personal expediency. I'm not calling you a coward or any derogatory name, but I do not think avoiding the big picture for one's personal happiness alone is a courageous or heroic act; I think it's merely a practical one, a sort of personal pragmatism, if you will.

Dissident, I have been devouring the books you recommended and I see a lot of your views reflected in them. Since we are all being 'nice' to each other, I really don't see much difference in these 'arguments'. It's all about the girls we love but do not have, which is frustrating for all. Let's not forget about that love in all this 'talk'.

Fighting for the right for people to love each other as they choose is the most powerful expression of love there is. Moreover, the granting of freedom of choice is also a powerful act of love, which is the basis of the famous saying, "If you love someone, set them free." The concept of freedom, and the desire for happiness and fulfillment on all levels, is not mere "cold" intellectualizing. Love takes many different forms, and fighting for the freedom of others to be free even if we may disapprove of their choices may be the ultimate positive expression thereof.