Re: Harsher than average crowd...

Out of curiosity where do you get that the number of people who want us killed or thrown in jail is just at 5% or 10% at most.

Direct canvassing - multiple years, multiple targets, multiple canvassers, online and off.

All were consistent.

From most internet articles related to pedophilia, (I know huge sampling bias, but these articles were positive toward pedophiles (kinda) in that they were talking about virtuous pedophiles)I would say even reading about virtuous pedophiles about 2/3 still reported killing or removing us from society.

~facepalm.jpg~ Oh. My. God.

Never use a controlled astroturf campaign as your polling data. (proceeds to grumble a number of unflattering things about your intelligence)
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Seriously. WTF were you thinking? It's a media campaign, ffs. I can't... believe... you use a campaign of sockpuppetry as your "reference" sample. WTF??

Look up a LITTLE something about standard-issue public relations, PLEASE. 'n always take your reference sample from some out of the way place which is NOT, well, a central focal point of a media campaign.

I'm going to stop now, before I say something unkind. Oh, btw, *I* would support killing VirPed, simply because they fall under the "complicity" clause of the convention on genocide.

But like I said, sampling bias?

Machine-posted.

Who is this 5 swallowing myths?

2 "kill them all" + 3 "ticking time bomb" = ???

The only way to get 5 antis out of your stats are... the 5 antis you listed. ;)

If Abby's mom has figured it out and still allows me to be alone with her daughter...

In either case, her entire statement was conducted to do two things : shut mr. "kill them all and bully the gathering" the hell up (in a way that would prevent Mrs "I've actually been there" from having to kill him) - and declare you off-limits.

That's not too surprising; the one thing that "good people who do nothing" are very good at is undertaking effort to defend the people in their children's lives, individually, sometimes undertaking signifigant effort or personal risk to do so.

...I wouldn't bother using her as your therapist just yet - 'someone who is in love with their daughter, who is also their best friend' should suffice, and there's usually the issues of "what they'd have to testify to;" plausible deniability is good, and simple honesty works better than politics - but, simple honesty works.

Oh, and it's not so "saintly," at least not in the extraordinary sense. In any healthy relationship, the child would tell their parents, who they probably actually have a relationship with, about any problems that bother them, and the parents would listen and give a fuck. There is, ergo, no particular long-term risk - the campaign is meant as a substitute for, well, shitty parents whose children would rather try to manage a rapist themselves than face the greater danger of actually interacting with their parents. By the time a parent actually gives a fuck about their daughter having a broader circle of love and support, there is no risk.

As far as was said (which is something usually kept under wraps in front of 15 other people) only one person said that they were molested as a child. And yes she was very opposed to the antis.

Since it pertains pretty well to the topic being discussed, I'm going to say that this works pretty well for at least interim figures.

She thought what the guy did was wrong

Re-filter the "I'm trying to manage (or resist throttling) this anti schmuck" crowd's statements through the filter of "I'm trying to model more normative and healthy opposition for you, so you'll stop being so much of a fuckwit," and I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at how well it fits. :)

I just noted the difference. It was never discussed.

If it was never discussed, and everyone "changed" their mind, it's probably what they figured before - unless the change was sudden after the one woman's testimonial.

A couple factors come into play in things like that. The first is what forms of dissent are "safe." Upon noticing opposition, they edge closer to their actual opinion.

The second is the realization that trying to appease this fuckwit did not shut him up or kill the topic, which often leads people to stop trying. ;)

Congratulations, you now have a view through the veil of suppression and illusion, even if suppression and having to model healthy opposition for the other side still leave a thin gauze over it. As noted, yours is a harder 'hood than average by a good margin, with a LOT more antis (where the fuck do you live (don't answer), one of the great lake states??) but the whole support-caged-behind-trying-to-model-more-functional-responses-for-the-other-side thing is.. standard.

Enjoy it?