Re: You are wrong

I think you are very one eyed. You use the word "we" implying that you are a supporting part of the American agressors. In that case, you have chosen to wage war against the Middle East so just expect all that comes back on you.

"I'm sure you know what Mutually Assured Destruction is, no two nuclear armed countries would dare to invade each others' land."

Nuclear attack is a last resort. You obviously are oblivious to the fact that wars can get out of hand--such is human nature. Don't be so sure that mutually agreed nuclear war couldn't happen. People so commonly start with verbal aggression, which often leads to shoving, which oftn leads to punching, which often leads to someone being killed by a gun. Things can ESCALATE. The trouble here is that you are applying what should logically be towards what illogical reality can occur. People are not often logical, especially the more angrier they become! Often hate, bigotry, anger and other emotional lunacy prevails over pure reason.

"The laws in the most Mid-East countries are oppressive,"

So U.S and U.K laws aren't oppressive? Therefore they should replace the laws of the Middle East??

"it's a theocracy, which IMO, is a retarded form of government"

And MOB RULE of the demotic baaaaaaaing sheeple isn't retarded?

"yes, representative democracy isn't perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than what they have now."

You seem to be aiming for perfection, so why not also advocate the abandoning of the archaic system of democracy (which I might also remind you, even it's inventors, the Greeks, had to end up quickly throwing in the political trash bin as a complete failure!--unworkable in a primitive and low populated society, let alone a modern technological society of burgeoning population).

"Like I said, many Mid-Easterners are sick of being forced to follow traditions that they themselves didn't create and/or agree with--I personally would rather die then be subjected to that bullshit."

Many Americans are sick of being forced to follow traditions that they themselves didn't create and/or agree with--I personally would rather die then be subjected to that bullshit.

"While I do believe in sovereignty, I am aware of the many violent passages in the Koran, and it appears to me that Islam is an inherently violent religion. I personally do not like religion AT ALL, and would rather it not exist."

Your atheist bias couldn't be more clearer. But I simply don't wish to open a huge debate here on religion. This forum is not intended for that. But I would add that atheism has caused some of the worst violence, bloodshed and atrocities in all history. You are completely naive if you think that if you outlaw religion you will automatically eliminate human aggression. If you do then you are in la la land.

"To me, fundamentalist Islam is just a violent movement--if you want me to quote violent passages from the Koran, I'll be more than happy to do so."

You can interpret Islam in the ways you like, but this religion is NOT some kind of frothing at the mouth maniacal cult that has the inherent desire to blitzkrieg the West (as propgandized by your Zionist controlled media). Islam only reserves violence to be exacted against those who would initiate aggression against it. But I know you're going to disagree, so you don't need to quote this section with a rebuttal. I simply don't care if you have your hate goggles on Islam.

"Also, many fundamentalist Islam groups want to do the same thing to the West that the West wants to do to them--complete eradication--so it makes sense to put an end to this before it gets out of hand."

And this is why I am yearning for the day that some other big boy superpower such as China or Russia invades the evil U.K and U.S. --to put an end to their imperialist bullying once and for all. The decadently rotten to the core U.S and U.K have had a long enough innings, it's time for them to go down and get a taste of their own medicine. And let someone else dominate the scene for a change. It's time for something nice and refreshing.

"The fact that many Muslims are waking up in the sense that they no longer see the relevance of Muslim tradition in their lives proves that the change is welcome."

Don't confuse many with most. Most Muslims don't want U.S an U.K occupation, they don't want their culture, they don't want their newfangled ideas, they don't want their bullets and bombs. They just want the Jews, British and Americans OUT. The vast number of Iraqis didn't want the U.S to invade, most didn't even want Saddam Hussein out, certainly not with the self-determined "help" of the USA. The Zionist media intentionally mislead Western audiences when they focused on a few rogue groups of miscreants and trouble makers screaming "YAY, the USA!!"

"Extreme conservatism is disgusting, as it goes against the natural tendencies of evolution--all things grow and evolve."

Your MOB RULE sheeple faith couldn't be more steeped in unenlightenment if it wanted to be. It might evolve, but evolves into more and more inanity and darkness.

"I don't think it's fair that people are born into a system that they have no say in whatsover;"

Seeing the majority of Americans believe in fascism, that pretty well means that you have no say. You won't get listened to.

"one of the biggest evils, IMO, is childhood indoctrination"

And that doesn't go on in the U.S state schools every day? LOL

"They vote for their own representatives, who make their own laws--it's not like we're handing down laws for them which they must follow."

Yes but it comes back to what I was saying about before. What if, through the introduction of democracy, that the MOB hypothetically happened to vote in a government which had AOC laws as part of it's policy, and which also outlawed other aspects of traditional life? This is why democracy SUCKS. It doesn't represent citizens' individual interests and needs, but instead relies on fads, whims, fashions lead by MOB RULE. Democracy isn't just about public decision on if, how, when and where a new town hall gets built. No, it potentially violates how people choose to live in their utmost PRIVATE affairs. And that is what makes it so utterly vile.

"They don't have to adopt any culture that they don't want to"

Yes but they CAN. They can vote in governments which are able to violate, intrude and meddle into citizens' private affairs.

"They must, however, refrain from violence--if they weren't fighting, there would be no reason for us to fight back"

You are returning all this back to asserting that the Americans are the ones who are "fighting back", but it is the Muslims who are doing that. That is my own evaluation of it. However you are welcome to continue disagreeing with me all you like. Again I just don't care.

"The fact is that they are a threat to Western civilization,"

Civilization? What civilization? Or are you meaning American culture? True Western civilization is long gone. We now live in a culture of SHIT, (or "Kulture Terror" as the Germans used to refer to it).

"they preach about its destruction,"

I don't really preach for its destruction, I merely wish for its destruction.

"and Western civilization is putting their efforts to a halt before they become a much bigger problem."

As I said, hopefully some other big boy will take the U.S out before it gets completely out of control (or to use your words, "a much bigger problem").

"And many residents of Mid-East countries are welcoming the change"

As I said before, don't conflate many with most.

"I would."

Fuck it.