Re: You, like a good sheep, are falling for every

"I completely concur, Stahn. He seems to fall for what's being fed to him by the Zionist owned media-- hook, line and sinker. I find his gullibility astonishing. Does he really believe that the U.S is going to spend hundreds of billions of dollars to "improve" the lives of a bunch of Arabs living on the other side of the planet?"

Do you have any evidence that the media is owned by Zionists, or do you just want me to believe everything you say? It's quite troubling that you have no problem with me believing everything you say, but as soon as I believe something that's said on the news (which I don't, I took critical thinking classes in college, and know how to sift information, which is exactly what I'm doing with the information you're providing me).

I am not gullible, for I don't completely believe everything that I am told--if I failed to mention that all the information I'm reporting on is based on what I've read from the media, then I apologize. But you can't just go and say that everything is wrong without providing PROOF that it is wrong, or else you are just exactly like how you are portraying them to be. I have relatives/friends who have been or are still stationed in the Mid-East, so not all of my information is based on what I read/hear on the news.

"Even if this WAS the case then the U.S govt is treating these Muslims as if they were actually priviledged U.S citizens, U.S voters and U.S tax payers! Yet back home they don't even want to pay for health care for the poor. They want to spend hundreds of billions to bring that glorious utterly magic democracy to the other side of the planet, yet are so lousy to spend it back HOME on their own citizens. Hell, they are even ripping up the roads and returning them to basic gravel ones because they can't even afford to maintain tar sealed roads in some areas! The U.S tax payer may as well be flushing their money right down the toilet."

Well, suposedly, we are there to get rid of a regime that has produced violent terrorists--I'm going to ask you for the last time, are you suggesting that the entire phenomenon of Islamic terrorism is completely fabricated? If you are, then I'd like to see some evidence for this before I believe it.

I agree that wars are a huge waste of tax-payer money, and even earlier conceded that the military efforts over there aren't completely benevolent, and are at least somewhat driven by greed. Many, many people are making lots of money off of this war, this I know. But still, just because this is true, doesn't necessarily mean that we're not there for any good at all. If we're there for purely malevolent reasons, then why can't you offer proof that this is so?

"His argument is that the War on Terror is "justified" simply because he THINKS that the Muslim world wants American "liberation" and occupation of their lands."

Some do--if you want me to provide a link that demonstrates this, then I will, but I think it's common knowledge that many Mid-East citizens are sick of the theocracy.

"But the point IS, even if they actually DID want this so-called "liberation" why is it up to the American tax payer to spend their money "liberating" those in foreign countries? I consider it tantamount to treason if a government spends its tax money on those in foreign countries rather than on its own people. This sort of thing should be voluntarily done by PRIVATE philanthropic organizations, NOT at tax payer expense."

Well, like I mentioned earlier, since these factions supposedly produce violent regimes, especially ones who are adamant about destroying Western civilization, then the US forces are there to extinguish this threat before it becomes any more serious.

Private philanthropic organizations can only provide funds, but they do not command armies, and armies are necessary to overthrow regimes.

To reiterate, I know that there are apparently shady motives behind the US occupation, in not only Mid-East countries, but other countries as well, but I'm only arguing that at least part of those motives are in the best interest of many citizens.