Re: Youth emancipation

"Clearly, you're not a youth liberationist, Goethe."

### Maybe not in the fully fledged political sense the YLM subscribe to Dissy, but I am a "youth liberationist" in the sense that I am completely against oppressive laws that exclusively target youth only. There are TONS of extra discriminatory laws layered broad sweep by totalitarian Western governments onto minors specifically that majors don't have to suffer--and this kind of discrimination is utterly unjust. (And I don't need to add to that the plethora of fascist laws that BOTH have to suffer from as well.)

"I don't agree that parents are the "masters" of their children."

### I'm sorry to make that come across so coldly patristic as it did there. Many minorphiles seem to see this position as a great threat or obstacle primarily directed towards THEM, but I can tell you for sure that the only enemy I am shielding against is the ultra-socialist STATE that upholds totalitarian fascist collectivism, broad sweep across large populations. This is the real monster.

"I believe, as a youth liberationist, that once a child has their own identity they deserve a degree of autonomy."

### And you should see the liberties I am already giving mine! Believe me, we are not all that "unreasonable" :)

"For instance, I believe that a parent has no right to force a child to practice a certain religion, to undertake a certain form of education if the child believes it's not right for them as an individual, to be forced not to work if the child chooses to get a job, or for the parent to have control over the child's money if they are earning their own. When you say, "You raise your kids your way and I will raise my kids my way," to me that sounds like you are saying that you will do anything you want with your kids regardless of their own wishes."

### This is getting into more involved territory. I can't simply speak for someone else and how they choose to do things. Many people simply have endless ideas, and we can't avoid this age old fact. This will never go away. I can say that I am fair and liberal with mine and I am certainly not against them doing things like earning and spending their own money. I am a strong vocal advocate of voluntary child labour. I despise the international anti-child labour movement promulgated by the West...in fact at one point I was underway of trying to write a book denouncing this vile movement and all the various NGO's who push this poison around the world, but unfortunately this project was put on the sideline due to illness. Believe me, I believe in giving youth a LOT of liberty. . BUT I'm not going to allow my own ones to do things that I see as jeopardizing their life or future. For example...ok, you mentioned religion and education...well I know I wouldn't allow them to go off and study to become a part of a very religion or philosophy I utterly despise. I would not allow them to learn the feminazi religion of man hating, nor would I allow them to opt to enter into rank and file indoctrination centres (commonly known as "schools") to be mind fucked by my enemies all day long...nor would I allow them to use dangerous drugs that I felt would mess them up...so yes there IS a line.. I will simply not allow them that kind of unbridled liberty. And I'm sure you could empathize with much of what I say here Dissy.

"I fully understand that sometimes you HAVE to say "no" to kids (especially younger kids), I do believe that NO ONE has a right to control the personal aspects of a child's life. As a youth liberationist, I fight AGAINST parental control over kids, and I agree with Henny that you are the caretaker of your children but NOT their master. Currently, you have the power to be that master according to the law, which sees children as little more than the property of their parents, "

### Wait, sorry I need to interject right here buddy... No, that's not really the case actually in most Western countries. It's currently STATE enforced COLLECTIVE DEMOTIC CONTROL in modern times which is the real master and owner. Parents are actually treated like shit under the current scheme of things and have been reduced to merely accountable caretakers rearing state property, and the state says "and don't you DARE put a foot wrong, or else!" The thing is, parents are not ALLOWED to ALLOW their offspring to do endless amounts of things. There was a court case some while back in my country where a parent was up before the courts because they allowed their 12 year old daughter to have a sexual relationship with her older male friend. So please don't always associate parental powers with youth oppression. It is the oppression of TOTALITARIAN COLLECTIVISM which is dictating the way everything is now. All the oppressive laws and fuckin EVERYTHING.

What you are fighting for is what is actually already IN PLACE. Be careful here. If what you are saying about children currently being property of parents and that that is the reason for all youth oppression today, think again. If children really DID belong to parents, would they be arbitrarily hauled off to police stations and correction facilities by power hungry cops for having a can of beer under the arbitrary STATE age-21 laws? Would they be seized by truancy officers for not being at indoctrination centres when they're "meant to"? Would they be arbitrarily stopped by the authorities from having romantic, sexual or marital arrangements with MAA's? Would MAA's be systematically persecuted by authorities? I see the vast problem as broad sweep fascism exacted by demotic collective power, not autonomous parental discretion. It's the demotic scum who are the enemy, not each and every parent under the ancient scheme of parental control. We have to realize who is the real giant leviathan here. Collective fascism is DREADFUL stuff. Parents are not always the obstacle, they can also be the liberator.

>"..and I can only hope that you choose not to abuse that power until such time that things change and children and teens acquire the ability to emancipate themselves from their parents if they so choose."

### Well I do honestly think I'm not abusing any power Dissy, nor do I intend to...I intend to let them go their own way when the right time comes. I am hoping you know me well enough by now to know that (even if you may think my politics is totally screwed up) I am actually a pretty reasonable, generous and fair guy, even though some here get a very different idea about me and regard my ideas with some skepticism...and maybe I have to reasonably expect that too, given that my ideas are considered bizarre and way-out stuff by the usual standards of contemporary thinking....and as they say, what people don't understand or know, they fear with suspicion, paranoia and hate. All I can tell you is how those I personally know comment on how much I'm a "really great father" and can't believe how "free, happy and well looked after" my little ones are so far. That's not me saying that, it's what someone told me word for word the other day...whether it was flattery or not is anyone's guess, but I think (or at least hope) she sincerely meant it.

Take care buddy.