You make some good points, but it is still important to have the open, honest discussion as well. I hope everyone will stop paying too much attention to the morons at AbsoluteZero - simply because there are better opportunities for persuasion elsewhere. We need simply make it clear for anyone seeking the truth that they are lying, and not worry too much about the crowd that congregates at AZ. Then we move on to another forum.

Lots of forums have deleted our comments, precisely, as Magneto has pointed out, because our comments are reasonable. However, quite a few have allowed us to say our piece, and when that happens we argue not so much for the sake of the hardcore Antis, as for the intellectually honest debaters and lurkers.