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Posted by Dante on Sunday, November 23 2014 at 05:22:35AM
In reply to Re: OK, I'll Drink The Koolaid posted by Markaba on Saturday, November 22 2014 at 10:54:14PM

"On a side note, did you know that Islamic law allows girls as young as 9 and boys as young as 15 to be executed? I'm sure you did. That doesn't necessarily conform with national laws, but it's not like it's strongly enforced either. Why this huge discrepancy in age?"

I suspect that this is linked to the AoM.

The age of personal responsibility in Iran is 9 for girls and 13 for boys; which doesn't veer far from the discrepancy in the onset of puberty.

While the West has shifted all over the place with its magic numbers, most schools of Sharia generally settle on puberty as the age where culpability begins. ( Which conveniently correlates with the neuroscience on the capacity to think abstractly about consequences and to experience true empathy through a second-order ToM. ) This would then affect only those countrys that choose to derive their death-penalty numbers from their local school of Islamic jurisprudence; as opposed to, say, secular codes.

The US, are of course the Death-Penalty fetishists; allying themselves ethically with torture-regimes across the globe.

But we are rather unique in deciding that executing children to young too consent to sex and intoxication is moral. We have made clear "progress" in that regard over China and other moral paragons.

BTW: you might want to research Sharia more closely, because you mistakenly use a singular rather than a plural. And since most all Muslim majority countries co-mingle Sharia with secular law and make varying codes your talk about "Islamic law" is as literate as me talking about "Asian Law."

First get your school of jurisprudence straight for the country, then study its codes to see where it applies its own Sharia and where it doesn't. Don't assume without looking it up that you know what you're talking about. And don't conflate everything just because there's a Muslim involved in it somehow. That sort of intellectual shorthand undermines your absolutist black-and-white claims.

According to Amnesty Intl the only Muslim Majority countries which have executed any under-18s since 1990 are:

Iran
Pakistan
Saudi Arabia
The Sudan
and Yemen

Yemen, and Pakistan no longer allow the Death Penalty for juveniles. And Iran is presently considering eliminating it ( a process they started 2 years earlier than the US. )

This leaves us with the lawless Sudan and America's pal Saudi Arabia which we always support and never allow questioning of ( petro-dollars are petro-dollars after all. )

In the period from 1990 on the US executed more children than Saudi Arabia, Yemen, The Sudan and Pakistan combined. Its as if we were in a desperate race with Iran ( who we ultimately lost to ) to see who could be the most immoral country on the planet.

I suggest you refer to the Pew Survey of Muslim Populations by country to see who did no State sanctioned killing of children while the US was keeping itself busy. Hint: .... need I say it again?... the largest Muslim population on the globe is a country which executed zero while the US was busy killing children.

Muslim Majority countries who have abolished the Death Penalty for ALL include:

Albania ( abolished 2007 )
Algeria ( currently under moratoriam: co-signatory to UN resolution calling for abolition. )
Azerbaijan ( abolished 1998 )
Chad ( abolished in 2014 )
Djibouti ( abolished in 1995 )
Kyrgyzstan ( moratorium 1998, abolition 2007 )
Senegal ( abolished 2004 )
Turkey ( abolished 2004 )
Turkmenistan ( abolished 1999 )
Uzbekistan ( abolished 2008 )

Meanwhile, in a perverse bit of Imperialism, Obama still upholds the Bush era doctrine allowing the US to execute a minor US citizen abroad WITHOUT any judicial oversite if the executive deems him or her to be an enemy combatant. A policy which has been used to exclusively target Muslim children. Thereby allowing a child in Pakistan protected by Pakistan's recognition that child-execution is immoral to be killed by the US. ( And we pretend that apostasy is only a Capital Offense in Islam? )

But hey, anything goes in the War on Terror; even targeting children for assassination. Right?

At least its extra-legal and therefore doesn't tarnish our claim to have abolished the juvenile death penalty in 2005.

Dante

Dante





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