your actions and reactions to the back and forth debates by pro-choicers with anti-choicers on this board suggests a very defensive and deferential attitude towards the latter that is indicative of a preference towards that latter stance. Either that, or you're one of those individuals who always gives deference for the perceived underdog in any type of conflict without any concern for the content of the debate.

I always argue with the underdog unless a very good argument in the majority opinion hasn't been discussed which it most often is not as the 30vs1 arguments generally cover everything in the majority side and leave the 1 unable to discuss everything.

So even though I am agnostic or atheist depending on when you ask I have argued in defense of Christianity and on VOA's board when there once happened to be more Christians than not on I stated why I thought God doesn't exist.

Also if you have ever seen the statement I now see quite frequently that goes along the lines of something like this "if it's ok to give a girl a massage how much different can giving one an orgasm be" that argument started with me. I felt it was something that had never been brought up before and was to good of an argument for being able to act sexually with a child to pass up and therefore brought it up as a response to one of Ethan's posts.

That being noted, this doesn't mean that there should be no place whatsoever for discussing the pro-choice stance, because many of us believe it has real merit. That doesn't mean we have to be at the forefront of the MAP movement. But that doesn't mean the anti-choicers should be either, or that any fallacies they mention or insulting comments they make should be either defended or overlooked. These issues are important and heartfelt enough to both sides that you need to reasonably expected spirited debate, and for MAPs on both sides of the issue to get frustrated with each other.

I don't think you are seeing the problem. Which is that far to many pro adult/child sexual advocates would like nothing more than to silence Ethan. It's not about letting both speak. It's that they want him gone.

To the point people on lifeline were genuinely asking if antis were still around and asking if working with them to unveil Ethan's identity would be possible.

Of course the lifeline mod stopped them when I protested it violated lifeline rules. But, still it's beyond wrong.

I don't recall any of the pro-choicers ever making such an extreme comment. I have heard antis say this before, including some of the anti-choice MAPs from time to time. Are you sure you're reading things accurately here, my friend?

As for you're being called an anti... I would like to know what you said before you were called that, or if it happened that a stance you mentioned was referred to as anti rather than you yourself, to make an honest evaluation of that claim's merit. I do believe the evidence suggests that you have strong sympathies with that stance, and if so, you should just admit it rather than insisting you don't yet continually providing evidence that you do. This is not an attack, but sincere advice.

Do you want me to start naming names here?

Sadlife seems to be able to remember the exact incident and time.

To see if anything jots your memory it involved a group discussion on what should be done with pedophiles. Let me go through the attacks.

I was called a liar by one prominent member here because in his view almost 100% of the population is fine with pedophiles and thinks we can be great people and no one is bothered by our existence.

I was told I shouldn't be allowed around children by another member because I said if I walked in on someone brutally sexually assaulting a child I take care of I'd pick up the heaviest object I could find and hit him with it.

I was told I shouldn't take care of a child because I said I would feel it morally wrong if I found someone molesting the child I take care of due the the harm if found out.

I was told fuck you for no apparent reason.

And many more things.

Like I said it seems your asking me to state names. In which case it could start getting very ugly. As 4 prominent members of this board and community have told other members essentially fuck you and usually much ruder.

The first time several months ago I brought this up and didn't have to much time to argue. (The first time you came back). I remember being shocked that you actually removed a nasty personal attack on someone else after my bringing it up.

Here we go again with the same argument about how nasty this board gets and you say it's pretty much never. But, right after this you are glad to find that the statement of "Fuck you and fuck you work" wasn't a personal attack after all.

I just want to know. If Ethan had said fuck you and fuck your work and then claimed that that actually wasn't a personal attack. Would you buy that bullshit?

I'm not going to get into the rest since most of it doesn't matter enough to waste either of our time on. But, I'll tell you the exact statement you lied about Ethan on.

You said he supports current child porn laws (in a statement far harsher than that as you were using it to try to prove how insane Ethan was or something) when just two days earlier Ethan had said he advocated getting rid of current child porn laws that made simple possession illegal.

I only hope that another member here lied to you about Ethan saying that and you didn't make it up yourself. Cause you were one of the posters I respected a lot and that day I lost a lot of respect for you as you joined an endless stream of posters here making up lies about what they "thought" Ethan believed rather than actually being able to debate him on what he actually does believe.

Not edited for grammar or coherency again as otherwise this would not be posted as I don't have much free time for this.

-Also the search function is broken. So yes, asking me to search through several thousand posts manually is actually too much.-