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Re: Poor poor Ethan

Posted by EthanEdwards on Thursday, October 23 2014 at 7:37:51PM
In reply to Poor poor Ethan posted by Dante on Thursday, October 23 2014 at 06:00:40AM

This is calm and understandable, and that's nice. But just about everything you say is false.

You created a site where you feel free to proclaim that pro-choice pedos cannot be trusted because of their selfish interest in having sex with girls.

I said their views on societal policies should be treated skeptically, which is quite different from saying they can't be trusted.

Further you claim there that B4UACT's decision to NOT take a policy stance on something that science hasn't settled is secretly a ploy to take a stance to advocate for the side you believe needs to be denounced ( even if the facts aren't in yet. )

B4U-ACT is not an organization with a single mind, and I certainly alleged no conspiracy. Our main complaint was that it was a political non-starter to take no position. We felt the need for an organization composed of people who did take the anti-contact position, so we did. In practice, the minds with loud voices were predominantly pro-contact when Nick left.

You tell us that you have no reason to believe we have ever denounced iatrogenic harm before you came here.

I don't recall ever saying that. I've never believed it. I have suggested more prominent mention might be appropriate, which is quite different.

You claim that many here who publicly and loudly argue that we must be law abiding are secretly breaking the laws when you aren't looking.

I may have said that once but not about more than a small minority. But I did take that back as unfounded speculation. I did say that we know nothing about those who lurk and never post.

And you tell even the pro-choicers who have said over and over again that they value a girl's "no," that the pro-choicers must want child prostitution because you assume that the pro-choicer values a world that gets them more sex over any other option ( like more freedom to make ANY choice. )

I'm having trouble figuring out on the basis of what free association you came up with that. I recall speculating that if you changed society so that girls really, truly had the freedom to choose sex or not with NO sense of an emotional connection expected (purely optional), with just "if it feels good do it, or if you feel like it, do it" then I thought many would choose prostitution. Some pro-contacters have said it should be about what feels good, and my speculation was a result of thinking about a world shaken up enough that that would apply. I was speculating on a side effect of the desired world, not that they wanted that effect.

You began the hateful accusations and were met with reasoned well-meaning respectful requests that you retract the unfounded defamatory accusations. You didn't.

I'm trying to recall these defamatory accusations. I did withdraw the one about some of the posters here probably being engaged in adult-child sexual activity. I have not withdrawn the one saying that self-interest means pro-contact arguments should be greeted skeptically. It's quite a stretch to call that a hateful defamatory accusation. It's about averages, not applying to any individual, and it allows for views being held sincerely and with good intentions.

You have had those you've hurt and defamed request apologies. You refuse to give apologi[es] for making the accusations.

Examples? My dim recollection of the general form of this is that I say something and the response is roughly, "You made me feel bad. Apologize!" I will offer a blanket apology for making people feel bad. But I apologize for factual content only when I think it is incorrect.

You've even been asked that if you won't let up, at least surface from all the hatefulness for long enough to post something positive.

I do let many topics pass that I could comment on. You may be surprised how few posts I actually make -- how few times I choose to dive into a discussion.

I also frequently make posts that are unrelated to VP-GC differences. They aren't heart-warming girl moments, but they are not oppositional, let alone hateful.






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