This is addressed in part to me, right? You are inviting an answer?

As is typical for [Ethan], follow-up posts find him so surprised.

I realized that commenting on a girl moment in that way is very unusual here, so I'm not too surprised that it caused a bit of a stir. If there was a separate "girl moment practical comments" section without interrupting the GM itself, I would have used that. But there isn't.

But this kid still needs help [with bath]

OK, I believe that makes her an unusual kid. Your call.

Princess Leia agreed that she comes out as dirty as she went in if she doesn't have help.

I would think a more standard way to handle that would be to set up some reward system for coming out with clean feet. Maybe G12 has ideas.

I religiously avoid doing or saying anything that could damage my girls.

I know you do. But it's good for all of us to know that good intentions aren't always enough in human relations in general. If someone suggested to me a way I could have been a better parent to my girls or a better husband to my wife, I was happy to listen and consider what they had to say -- not always happy, but willing.

There is no secret to be found here.

Does this include knowledge of the special eye contact that happens more then that any other time? You wrote of much more than just supervising a bath.

I agree that soap could be the problem (pain while peeing after a bath as reported by g9 for the reason she does not want to wash there). That was the reason for the rinse thoroughly suggestion.

Rinsing isn't necessarily enough. Soap can remove natural oils. Water alone is best.

Nobody wants all this 'medical' detail in a GM.

The movie reel had already stopped and the mood broken before I made that reply to your explanation. But, uh, wouldn't it be worth it to spoil a GM if your G9 can feel less irritation?

You don't 'do' GM's and it's obvious that you don't particularly care for them

I don't have many GMs to relate because I don't see girls very much at all these days. I enjoy reading others' stories. I write bits of fiction sometimes. Would people be interested in a fictional GM (non-erotic, of course)?

I believe [GMs] demonstrate the pedophile as a loving human and not a monster. So your attack of mine is actually very hurtful to me.

I don't see the relationship between those statements. I know pedophiles are usually loving humans. I never suggested you are a monster; I never came close. I stated some specific concerns about what I feared might happen.

Children should not be 'protected' from romantic feelings by the adults around them.

Sure, genuine warmth and affection is always good. I think of "romantic feelings" as extra and what we associate with peers being in love. There's some tendency for those feelings to be expressed with things like: I miss you so much, how come I can't spend more time with you? I dream about you day and night. It hurts my feelings when you don't like to play with me like we did before, etc. You don't want to give me a hug goodbye -- I'm SO sad...

I'm not saying any of those apply to you specifically. And it's not going to ruin a kid's life, but I personally think it's not good for them. It can be a burden, not just a fun and happy thing. I heard of a college student who wanted to ask a guy for help with a problem set, but the word had recently gotten back to her that he had a crush on her, which she did not want to encourage, so she felt she couldn't ask him that and needed to find someone else. College students have to deal with that kind of thing, kids should not with grown-ups they trust.

I've noted based on stories here and elsewhere that pedophiles often have trouble setting limits with the kids they like, and I see that as a potential problem too if a person is feeling "in love".

I don't expect that you will see the light and give me that apology that I deserve

I am sorry for making you feel bad. But I just can't apologize for raising an issue about the potential welfare of your girls. I should think you might thank me. Better safe than sorry, right? If I kept doing it over and over I could see it would get annoying. Many of you don't believe me, so I can understand why you'd feel upset, but if you were right there would be a more fundamental problem and apologizing for lying would be more important (though I suspect for many of you, my just dropping dead would be more what you'd like me to do). But I'm not lying.

GC has a policy forbidding people from relating stories of illegal activities. But I can easily imagine people saying things that are legal but that we would mostly agree are a bad idea. Telling kids nasty lies about their parents, leaving them unsupervised with alcohol so they can get sloshed, driving them around when you are really drunk (OK, that's illegal but not the kind of illegal people mean at GC that prohibits saying things, right?) There's a range of activities, and we'll have different thresholds. But I don't think telling a girl moment exempts anyone from people questioning whether what's happening is good for the girls or not. Sure, mostly you give the benefit of the doubt. I've rarely (never?) raised issues about one before, though my eyebrows have gone up several times. One way of looking at this situation that you think my criteria for worrisome consequences are stricter than the ones some people here use -- but they are nowhere near the paranoia of modern societal standards.