Then, you're an idiot. The point was that masculinity should not be defined by strength, emotional hardness or other bullshit that's usually acquainted with being a man.

Someone needs to study some endocrinology. Not you, the author.

Nor, should terms like "man up"--which are inherently sexist--be used.

Europe is an unfortunate place.

The root word for "man" [which is pan-Indo-European; cf. Sanskrit "manu"] does not mean male, or adult male. It means person. This is retained in German, where "Mensch" and "Mann," despite the same origin, clearly mean two different things: "Mensch" is a person, and "Mann" is an adult male person. It is also why Greek has the related "anthropos" and "andros" with different meanings -- person and adult male respectively. But in English this is lost, and it is lost, ironically, because of the dummy grammatical gender falling to male. The same structure which leads to the gripe of "don't say he, say hen" made the word for person mean only adult male.

This is repeated in a lot of Indo-European, particularly in Europe, and particularly in Western Europe: for instance, most of Romance has the descendant of Latin "homo" {Port. "homem," Sp. "hombre," Cat. "home," Fr. "homme," It. "uomo"} meaning both person and adult male, despite Latin itself using "homo" only for person and using instead the unrelated "vir" [from which, "virility," "virile]" for adult male. Only Romanian retains "om" exclusively to mean person, using another word for adult male {"barbat.}"

But man means person, not adult male. If there is sexism in language, it is in describing the non-male or non-adult as non-men.

And of course, you're a hypocrite about this, just like Dante. Ordinarily you'd be the first to gripe about the double standard our culture has with regard to sexism against males vs. females. I've said this a hundred times on other sites, and she says it too: no one would ever dare say 'woman up' because it would be fucking offensive. The same is true for 'man up.'

Maybe because, even allowing for the language ignorance, I don't think "man up" is sexist? Indeed, I think every adult male should man up, and so should every adult female, and every juvenile too.

There are two possible meanings of "man up." One is, imho, 100% positive; and the other is also positive although unfortunately phrased.

The first is manning up in contrast to nonthinking agents, particularly animals, but depending on context maybe also those perceived as with rationality deficits, such as children, elderly and "mentally ill" people.

I can't see how this manning up is negative.

It means that as a rational agent you are supposed to own the products of your action and statement. A bear may shit in the woods, but you as a man are supposed to know better and use the camp toilet. Manning up is telling you to own your actions with their effects, and telling you to own your statements, particularly, both in general use and in this one context of the Dante thread, in regards to being able to source quote for your statements whenever applicable.

The latter manning up is necessary for meaningful discussion to take place. Otherwise we are not any better than typing monkeys because anyone can say anything and never have to support it.

The former manning up is necessary for a properly social life, as it involves dealing with the consequences of your acts, even the negative. I don't care if that is too sexist but it is often that Teen Girl, and L,. to man up. Because neither is too good at dealing with consequences. Teen Girl is old enough that she may be a lost cause, but I still try; but L. certainly can man up without great changes to her general outlook on life -- and indeed, she is improving, and has constantly been improving for the last year or a little more.

Here "man up" is not "shoot up testosterone" but "act like a rational being [man,] not a lower animal."

The second possible meaning of manning up is close to "get over it." It involves two related but different concepts: one, that you should stop caring so much about past hurts and instead do something in the present and towards the future to be happy, not caring about those past hurts, much less the people who did them. Associated with it, "don't let this thing get to you" because the easiest way to get over something is of course, not letting it hurt you in the first place.

The second concept, which is related, is learning that the world doesn't turn around you; therefore, that others are not necessarily doing things to you, positive or negative alike, but simply doing them, for their own reasons, even if they have a large effect on you. It is therefore learning what is big and what is small - what deserves your time and anger and what can be shrugged off and not think back again on it.

It is akin to a phrase which is more discriminatory than "man up" and that is "grow up" or "mature" -- derived from the observation that these all are steps which are usually walked by children growing up and considered, eventually, hallmarks of social adulthood. Indeed, the very first commenter, with all the many likes, recommends to say "grow up" where "man up" is applied. And yes, it talks about emotions and vulnerability, but it doesn't say "don't have emotions." What it says is "don't let your emotions get the better of you, or worse, control your actions." What is negative of it?

In this case, of course, "man up" is not "your dick is small" but "act like you have passed the tantrum stage [and become a man.]"

In both cases of course I would demand of women that they man up - same as I demand of a teen and a preteen girl.

If "woman up" makes no sense, it is precisely because "man up" refers to the original meaning of man as person and not the neologism of man as adult male. But we still use equivalents, particularly "grow up," to mean exactly the same without referring "man" or "woman" in our speech.

If you really want to substitute "man up" because "man" is offensive, I suggest "own [up]" for the former meaning and "develop a skin" for the latter.

Sorry for the many words. Sorry again, I meant persony words of course.

Are you this is not a pro-child rape site? I mean, a lot of the stuff you guys say is indistinguishable from what child rapists say.

Well I can quote Jesus' sayings and show you their pacifism, so, can you please quote child rapists on this, or are you just putting words in their mouths?