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Re: Authentic childhood

Posted by EthanEdwards on Monday, September 01 2014 at 08:16:02AM
In reply to Re: Authentic childhood posted by Dante on Monday, September 01 2014 at 05:10:00AM

But most folk can see that recognizing agency doesn't tell you what someone chooses. And that recognizing female choice and female desire actually results in fewer rapes rather than more.

You're taking this discussion into some irrelevant never-land. Everyone in the "liberal anti-contact" boat recognizes female choice and female desire. We encourage it since of course girls have to make those choices regarding their peers, and as practice for making such choices later. Making good choices and communicating them clearly pertains to far more than sexual activity.


So tell us again why an argument which makes her rejection seem more clear-cut encourage molesters more than a structure which claims that her "yes" and her "no" are the same thing?

Molesters range from the cases we would all agree on as molestation across a line where things become more questionable.

A man with ill intentions and a man with decent intentions whose judgment is clouded by desire can both clearly perceive that if they continue with sexual activity under current law, then they are in for huge legal trouble if discovered. If they are in a different legal situation where the girl's apparent consent is taken as legally binding, then they can continue into sexual activity when the girl is not actually consenting and they have misread her ambivalence or hesitation. The law is a big deterrent.

I'm trying to construct the situation where you think girls would be worse off without an age of consent. A clear-cut rapist would just rape her anyway. So do we posit a man who wants to have sex with a girl and does care about what's in her interest. However, he's gotten this idea that sometimes such girls want sex, and this must be one of those times (why?). And since saying "yes" doesn't really mean consent and is the same thing as "no" he might as well just have sex with her when she says "no", on the assumption that she must want it? This makes no sense to me at all.

That's all I'm up for trying to respond to. Although this is more polite than a classic "Hyde" post, your sequence of thought is largely disorganized and questionable at every turn.






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