My question was because Markaba last few times seemed in an extreme disagreement with anyone who didn't come out; and insinuating that those of us who didn't come out were fakes. Well, VPs aren't coming out in any greater numbers than pro-contact people or GC in general.

Your arguments are well taken. But the thing is that Markaba said the exact same things about all of us, not just VPs, and to the point they are valid for Ethan and Nick, they are valid for you and me too. Or conversely, to the point that Ethan and Nick can justify to remain not-out, so can we.




Of course, all of this is still assuming that behind Ethan and Nick there is a real person who is more or less who claims to be: a pedo with an anti-contact policy position. I still assume it, but it is important to note that if that assumption is false, then a lot of the rest no longer sustains either.