"Disturbing now, is it?"

I thought I'd quoted you recently enough for you to reread your words.

But it seems as though your tendency to retreat from reality applies even to the threads you read and reply to within a single day.

"Selfish," "biased" and "secret agenda" are the allegations. You have further qualified them for everyone as "clouded judgement" and "ulterior motive." But "disturbing?" Nope, I haven't seen that one mentioned until now.

There was a mainstream media article on Ethan and his group (possibly CNN) where they contrasted him and his group with this board and Ethan said he found our views "disturbing". I took issue with that and have been bringing that up ever since in an attempt to get him to rethink expressing such views of fellow law abiding pedophiles who simply have a philosophical difference on some issues. Like I said earlier, he should start talking us up, not talking us down. It's fine for him to express his philosophical differences with us, but using value judgment loaded terms like that does all of us a disservice. If our own people won't even stand up for us, who else will?

As for the quote about MLK, thank you for supporting my claim that he didn't stoop to the underhanded slurs you use.

He is VERY clear that he thinks violence will backfire. And he is clear that he thinks its irresponsible to urge such a tactic. But nowhere does he make a claim about any tendencies of the Black Male towards irresponsibility and violence.

If he sewed such distrust of Negroes and fears that irrational violence would be the outcome of the Civil Rights struggle, then he could've expected to be muzzled by the racists whose fears he has confirmed.

Anyone who says, "you're right to think badly of us" is just hanging himself.

Well stated. Martin Luther King wasn't an "uncle tom". He was a radical moderate. He didn't appease whites by confirming their base instincts and fears about blacks. He had a very limited appeal in his lifetime and was only lionized after his death. He could have had an immediate gain, for himself, if he had played the uncle tom role more at the time, but he cared more about the movement itself than a victory for himself and his select few. Ethan could learn from that, I think.