"That's all true, but then it's probably going to take organizations like Virped for MAPs to make any headway at all."

Well realpolitik admits that you must be willing to make concessions when someone in a position to hand you significant gains is making concessions of their own. In order to do this a movement needs an accommodating acceptable public face. But there are a few things to remember.

Those sides are dependent upon the others who won't back down. The NAACP and Sinn Fein needed their more radical counterparts to remind those in power that behind the heroic restraint lies a lot of very justifiably angry people who have other options than the bargaining table.

Because of this interdependence its very important just how the moderates represent their differences with their brothers. Respectful disagreement and a focus on separate goals are possible without tearing down the other. "We don't use those tactics," "we prefer to focus on other objectives," are all ways of distancing onesself without disparaging people involved in furthering the cause.

And for Ghod's sake, you never play into the stereotypes in making claims about your people. The NAACP never implied that their disagreement with Malcolm was due to him giving in to the violence black men are "prone to." If they had, they'd have been shooting themselves in the foot.

When VirPed argues that Peds are inclined to change or repeal the AoC laws because they think with their d*cks when it comes to LGs, then they're admitting that their reasons for reassessing the CP laws are because Peds can't stop thinking with their d*cks when it comes to pictures of nekkid LGs.

And of all the people to hang in effigy; B4UACT? And why? Because B4UACT focussed on working with MHPs but wouldn't make a claim against an issue largely irrelevant to their work?

This is extremism. They might've well asked, "are you now or have you ever been a Communist?" When you're talking about the real progress made by B4UACT, this sideshow isn't the issue. But to VirPed it is significant enough to break with them over. And significant enough to cast aspersions on their motives.

It isn't enough for VirPed to succeed in their own way doing something different. They must try to tarnish anyone who either disagrees with them, or Ghod forbid, remains neutral, like B4UACT.

By denouncing B4UACT these extremists have shown that they have no interest in being the public face of a more inclusive movement. They can't tolerate dissent. And what they can't silence at home, they will impugn everywhere else. They could've remained silent about the "motives" of others and focussed on what they believe. But they've chosen to make their unfounded slurs central to their public identity.

When they sell the public on the notion that Ped desires are somehow exceptional in their selfish ability to cloud judgement, they're promoting a slur that sets us back.

"Even Dissident recognizes the fact that PR is an important aspect of forums like GC."

I was thinking about that too. But his war over the GM was largely lost because GC cannot be a group that only exists to create a community consensus and issue press-releases. We are primarily a celebration of girls and girllove; not a very good place to launch one's candidacy from.

And if we REALLY wanted to create a public front for outreach; then internal rifts and negativity would not be what we wanted the public to see. If THAT was our goal, then Ethan with his disparagement would've never been allowed to post.

Dante