Ping - Lateralus + qtns2di4

Hiya,

I'm pinging both of you about my post a little while back (last Thursday, really), and your comments about it.

To both of you - I do apologize, very much indeed. You are both right - I was entirely out of order in saying some of the things that I did.

In my defense (and, it's no defense at all), I did over-indulge in alcohol before I made that post. But, that is no excuse.

To refresh your memories, I post your replies here, and will deal with each one separately, if that's ok with you. I do apologize for the length of this post, btw...

Lateralus, your reply posted was:

I know of at least 9 lgs (who I have specifically forbidden from postng on here, for their own protection), who are all for us. (These were my words. You put these in bold; unfortunately, being a bit stupid when it comes to tech stuff, I don't know how to put things in bold here). The next bit is your's...

I have some questions, if you don't mind:

1) How are you able to forbid them from doing anything, given that you're not their parent?

2) How do you reconcile forbidding these girls, as you put it, from visiting GC with your, I presume, child liberation views? After all, it would not be illegal for them to visit here, although I agree it's probably not the best idea (for a number of reasons.)

3) Do they even know about GC and how to get here? In other words, have you actually told them about the place?

4) Who are you protecting them from?

5) How do you know they're all for us? Do they know the political and social issues pertinent to us? It seems to me they are are for you, given that they know you and know you're a nice guy. Saying they're for 'us' as a group seems to me a huge stretch. You say to them 'pedo' is just a word. That seems accurate to me.

Lateralus, I don't mind you asking anything of me. I will always answer gladly.

1) I am not able to forbid anyone, of anything. I have no rights over anyone, nor agency, let alone of children. I entirely mis-worded that, I think. I reached an agreement with the girls, after some discussion, that I wanted them protected. I told them the reasons behind this, and they agreed that it was the most sensible option.

My wording wasn't a case of Freudian Slip; more of a alcohol-soaked mind...

2) I would never be able to find any reconciliation there. Any attempt to censor or control those girls would be, imo, entirely wrong. A protection argument can be made, but that's not necessary. Once things are discussed with children, usually a concensus may be reached, whereby the children do not place themselves in danger. In my experience, children are far more open to ideas & opinions than adults, and tend to pay others far more attention than adults do. If children know that you care about them, they will discuss things with you. Most children I've ever come across are far more 'adult' than adults in this respect (and other respects, too), really!

The opinions of the girls counted just as much, no - more, than mine. The decision reached was the result of a very interesting discussion, which I tried to make sure was led by the girls, not me. The conclusions they arrived at were, in some ways, perhaps more sensible than my own.

3) No, I haven't told them about this place. It's a very long story... Hey, around 5 or 6 weeks ago, I was sitting in my apartment, listening to some music on my headphones, whilst also chatting merrily away on GC. My sister has a key to my apartment (I'm away a lot on business - she looks after the place for me from time-to-time), and she let herself in. My niece was with her.

My little micro-office is hidden away behind a small partition. I didn't hear anyone come in, and my sister popped her head round & saw me, but went straight into the kitchen to make supper for us all (I have a notorious habit in my family for just working, and not eating). My niece hovered behind me, without me noticing. Not for long, but long enough.

Both my sister & niece have known for a long time that I'm a MAA. My niece (once she grabbed my attention - my headphones went flying off against my wall, I'm telling you!) asked me about the site, & the message I was sending.

I don't agree with lying to children. I did check it out with my sister - she was happy for me to say. So I told my niece, over supper with my sister and her, what GC was, and what it's there for.

BTW - my sister entirely approves of GC. She thinks that anything that helps us the way this place does, has to be right.

My niece, naturally, has friends. She also knows that I'm a MAA, and also that I would never act in any way inappropriately with any LG. Also, she is a very sweet-natured girl, and has always ensured that her friends, are also my friends.

She told her friends (quite against my better judgement, or knowledge) about GC. She now knows (through a gentle chat with her) that maybe this wasn't the best idea.

However, this has had some unexpected results. Some parents of her friends have decided to log on to GC, to see what it's all about.

2 sets of parents have now forbidden me from ever seeing their daughters again. That hurts, but I accept that (and, expected it).

Of the remainder, another 4 sets of parents did the same (i.e., logged on to GC). They also now know that I'm a MAA. They have said to me, after visiting GC for a quick peek, that they now view pedophiles in a different light. Whilst they would cheerfully choke anyone who harmed their daughters, or any other child for that matter, they no longer look at us as some kind of 'enemy' any more - in fact, they are incredibly sympathetic. And, they have no problem with me seeing their daughters. I've known one set of those parents since my niece first started school, and have been good friends with them since then, and they have assured the others that I'm no threat or danger to anyone.

One thing all of those other 4 sets of parents remarked upon, was the amount of respect, care and kindness with which we regard LGs. They found this amazing, and complimented me on this.

However, 3 sets were concerned about the 'pantie' posts. The other set, laughed about it.

GC isn't a subject that is discussed often amongst myself and my niece and her friends, we'd all rather just play, but it does come up from time-to-time.

4) If anything, I'm trying to protect them from society, and the warped views of society about us peds. Oh, they know about that, alright - they're not that young (between 8 yo (one of them) & 9 and 10 yo). In any case, as far as I know, there is a rule against any of them posting here (that is right, isn't it?).

The Fayla incident was also uppermost on my mind, as well.

I'm also protecting them against any shock or trauma from adults reacting badly to any of this. In 2 cases, I have failed. I regret that most profoundly, and imo I deserve to be banned from GC for that, because in that respect, I have let those 2 girls down, and all of you here (Baldur, I hope you are reading this). I'm not flippant about this - I really am still very distressed about that. I will flog myself for that one, till I die...

5) I entirely agree with you, Lateralus. In my drunken state the other nite, I was very likely wildly over-optimistic.

However, the experience has shown me that surprising things can occur. Let us not lose sight of that.

But, i apologize to you, Lateralus, if anything that I said upset or offended you. I regard you as one of the nicest guys, and I promise that the last thing I would want to do is upset you in any way.

Qtns - you also brought up some very valid points. Again, for your convenience, I repost them here:

2) He is not a child liberationist, but a parental prerogativist.

4) Critest.

(Just as well, after Faylagate, FAIK age of posting was increased, although the girls themselves and KBA were grandfathered in. Faylagate happened during your long ban IIRC, or in one of your long absences anyway).

2) No, he was very drunk. And stupid, like just as much as stupid could be. Dumb really is, not the word. For the way I was, I suspect a new word has to be invented...

There has never been anything parental about me in my life, from the point of view of telling any young person what to think, say, see or do. The choices of the young, are their own. Hell, we've f***ed the world up enough - they surely can't do any worse. And the kids, well, from what I've seen, could very well do it better. So, i don't interfere.

I mis-stated myself. That is not an excuse, but a failing. It will happen again, I promise you, and everyone else.

4) You have one of my reasons exactly in the bag. There are also other reasons (see my respones to 4) to Lateralus, above.)

As I have to Lateralus, I also profoundly apologize to you, as well. Once again, you are the very last person I would like to upset.

I hope that you can both accept my sincere apology.

Trill