Re: As always, I disagree...

"Children and teens are NOT the property of their parents"

But who are you to pontificate that, Diss? They are NOT universal principles, they never have been and they never will be. All I can say to such dictates is speak for your own offspring, not mine. My offspring ARE my property. Completely and utterly 100% MINE. Why? Because I said so. I made 'em and as far as I am concerned *I* will be the only one to dictate all the grand principles. No one else is in any position of "natural right" in the first place to contest that. I alone will be the one to set the standards and bestow upon my offspring any given freedoms at my own good will. I work independently of socialists and what they think. They are about as relevant to me as green Marsians. Just because my offspring are individuals with wills of their own makes no difference to the matter either, it's completely irrelevant to me.

And when I say "property" it is not necessarily in the monetary sense, but in that purely raw primordial animal sense. I consider my offspring my property not so much in terms of $ but instead just as a dolphin, lion or vulture would consider their young to be their own possessions.