More on my position on the State

Due to the recent amount of misunderstanding about my position on the state, which continued even after I tried to explain my position better, I want to make five quick points that should make my stance known in a very succinct, non-wordy fashion.

1) I do not support the concept of the state. I am a socialist who supports the original conception of socialism, which is a classless, moneyless, and stateless society. Please read this sentence to yourself at least five times before continuing, until this point is very clear in your head, because I am going to scream my lungs out if one more person on this board assumes or claims I support the Leninist or Trotskyist iteration of "socialism."

2) Despite my disdain for the state, I understand that it's very likely going to continue to be around for the duration of my lifetime; hence, I have to work within it at this point in time and try, to the best of my ability, to make it work for us rather than against us as much as can be reasonably expected.

3) As long as the state continues to exist, I think progressives should continue in their efforts to make it operate in the interests of the working class as much possible, rather than against us. That is not the same thing as supporting the eternal existence of the state, or arguing that the state is an inherently "good" thing that all societies should have.

4) It seems, based on recent discussion, that some pro-capitalist people on this board want to see the elimination of the state within the context of the capitalist system. That brings up several problems, and I would like the pro-capitalists on this board to explain how essential services would be provided to workers under a capitalist system if no iteration of the state existed, what would be done for workers whom the now greatly empowered capitalists chose not to hire, and how order would be preserved, since crime, war, and poverty would be worse than ever with no state relief agencies of any kind. If you believe these problems would actually be reduced in the absence of a state, then please explain (though I have learned not to assume, I would like to presume that you actually care about these things).

5) Though I dislike the idea of the state, and of any system that relies on one to preserve order, I do not believe the state is only capable of evil acts despite its actual purpose (which I am far from naive about), as it can be coerced or cajoled into committing acts in the public interest with enough agitation and activism, and it's essential that we learn how to do this because the state will likely continue to be around for the duration of our lifetimes, along with a class-divided system that relies on a state apparatus.