Re: You missed my point

No, sellout blacks and sellout women have grown beholden to the State. The patriarch at home or on the plantation was switched with Big Brother, hardly an improvement. It's no coincidence that the more libertarian and anti-State the feminist, the less likely she embraces the victim narrative with its sexphobia and selective misandry. As you have admitted yourself in more lucid moments, this totalitarian anti-sex victim feminism represents the opposite of female empowerment. You never noticed that the original female liberationists were for free love and anarchy, whereas today Establishment feminists make a mockery of that legacy? Likewise you are seriously naive enough to buy the politically correct State-sponsored bullshit about the Civil War, Reconstruction, and Civil Rights movements. For the most part the African-American community is in horrible shape today. A mulatto president doesn't make up for that.

I believe that wage slavery, as horrible as it is, is nevertheless a step up from chattel slavery. The Civil War didn't end capitalism, so the most that could be accomplished for the black people freed from chattel slavery was wage slavery, which was the lesser of two evils IMO. And yes, I have noticed what you said about the original female liberationists, as I have noted here often. And I buy into no bullshit about the Civil War, and I am in no way naive. I full understand that the Civil War was mostly fought for economic reasons, not an ideological desire to end chattel slavery; the North was becoming a factory economy, and it needed free wage workers, which conflicted with the needs of the less advanced plantation economy of the South. It was mostly about money and changing industrial factors, not an ideological desire to do something "good." As for the civil rights movements, I am fully aware they occurred because the state had no choice, and also for changing economic reasons. I never said a mulatto president made up for anything, and I have never said anything other than the fact that the African-American community remains in a heavily disadvantaged state of affairs. I simply said they have more civil rights today than they did in the past. I do not like the state any more than you do, and I do not want to see a system that relies on it to last forever, but I do believe the state can sometimes be cajoled into doing good, albeit not often enough.

Oh? If so then you should have no problem with my anti-State position whatsoever. You really are making very little sense.

I am appearing to make no sense due to a misunderstanding that I hope we are now past. You clearly made this post before reading what I said just below, and before our brief conversation over PM tonight.

They will need to enforce their power locally and directly without being able to call on the State for backup. And children who want to be free will have to learn self-reliance rather than expect the State to somehow "enforce" their freedom (a contradiction in terms).

As long as children are allowed to seek self-reliance and emancipation, then I have no problem with this. As for local and direct power, if they didn't have a means of forcing their kids to do what they insisted, then they wouldn't truly have power at all, and their authority would only go so far (something I also don't have any problems with). As for "enforcing" freedom, what I was talking about is the state insuring that no insitution discriminate against the newly emancipated younger people, the same as it does with black people and women, and that parents were prevented from using alternate means of force (such as a gun or some other form of threat on their child's person) to keep their children in their home or otherwise interfering with their freedom of choice if these children refused to acquiesce to their parents' whims. That is what I meant by the state enforcing freedoms and civil rights. I can definitely envision a future society without a state, but I find it hard to envision such a society existing under a system where class divisions and production for profit continued to exist.