Re: egg and chicken much?

If you are suggesting that it's possible to have a class-divided system like capitalism without a state, then I shudder at the thought of how order would be enforced and how laws would be made. Obviously, the capitalist class would have to do these things themselves in a direct sense rather than establishing a state to do it for them, with privatized police forces that people would have to pay out of pocket in order to receive protection from, and in such a case, the capitalists would truly be the law. And prisons would be entirely privately owned, thus insuring a large amount of detentions at the behest of the capitalists. Such a system wouldn't last for long, as it would collapse under its own excesses, and would likely result in an entirely fasistic system being brought up in its place. There is a word for such a system in some circles: industrial feudalism, a time when capitalists take direct control of the system and every single service imaginable is given out on a for profit basis only. I can just imagine the new types of insurance companies that would emerge under such a system, which include insurance for police protection and sanitation, people had to pay directly for water, and no more encouragement to form charitable institutions to help the poor. And then the less fortunate workers would miss the days when they paid for essential services out of taxes rather than having to pay for all of them directly out of pocket, which would take up 80% of their meager paychecks instead of just 20%.

Before I am accused of putting words into your mouth, I am not going to assume that you would prefer what I described up above to the existence of a state, but if the state was entirely eliminated within the confines of a capitalist system, I am wondering how you would expect people to receive essential services such as police protection, sanitation, health care, water, court trials, and other services if all of these things became entirely privatized and run for profit. And if businesses became entirely unregulated, who would bail them out when they went broke or messed up, and who would guarantee fair labor practices, including the end of sweatshop conditions, and who would take care of the people who these all-powerful capitalists chose not to hire (since money would be even more essential to have then than it is now) when there would no longer be any impetus for charitable institutions?