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The only purpose of the state...
Posted by Dissident on 2010-June-09 05:26:24 EDT, Wednesday
In reply to Which approach would you like best re: youth lib? posted by Sigma on 2010-June-08 21:35:09 EDT, Tuesday
In regards to a state agenda for youth rights...the state should decree that people of all ages are full citizens and should have the right to exercise those rights as soon as they achieve the necessary level of cognizance. If the state was starved and disempowered to the point where it couldn't enforce rights, then employers, parents, teachers, and many other adults would feel free to walk all over younger people and attempt to interfere with their rights. Whether somebody gets a job over another person should entirely be competency based; if two competing people prove equal, there should be some way to choose who to hire at random.
Schools should largely be controlled by a combination of the students and teachers in equal measure, with the state funding education but not controlling the curriculum. The textbooks should be provided by a wide variety of sources, and students and teachers should work together to decide who to purchase these textbooks from (assuming that textbooks will be used for any particular course).
In short, the government should protect rights when necessary, but should not act as guardians of emancipated youths. I would forsee many youth groups forming to attempt to ensure fair treatment of youths in employment, housing, etc., and I see youth residences being run by a combination of its residents and individuals of all ages who were hired to administer for the welfare of its residents in terms of meals, working water, a possible infirmary, etc., much as is done for residences designed for the elderly in today's world. I see many youth organizations formed by people of various ages who advocate for youth rights, and the government need not be involved with these groups, except to protect the rights of youths to join these advocacy groups (so that parents do not attempt to forcibly stop their kids from joining these advocacy groups, etc.).
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- Why this is flawed - LOD on 2010-June-09 06:04:04 EDT, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 43)
- There are several flaws in your analysis - Scotty on 2010-June-10 16:25:43 EDT, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 37)
- Re: There are several flaws in your analysis - Baldur on 2010-June-11 12:32:35 EDT, Friday - (1 / 0 / 22)
- Re: There are several flaws in your analysis - Sigma on 2010-June-11 12:45:34 EDT, Friday - (1 / 0 / 13)
- 'Self-Reliance' - Hen-Wen on 2010-June-11 01:08:44 EDT, Friday - (1 / 0 / 12)
- It was 13 colonies, not 1
- qtns2di4 on 2010-June-11 08:07:08 EDT, Friday - (1 / 0 / 4)
- So the founding myth is a lie. - Hen-Wen on 2010-June-11 10:00:50 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 3)
- Re: So the founding myth is a lie. - qtns2di4 on 2010-June-11 10:38:27 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 2)
- I guess I'm not clear on your definition - Hen-Wen on 2010-June-11 10:49:02 EDT, Friday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- Re: I guess I'm not clear on your definition - qtns2di4 on 2010-June-13 05:26:12 EDT, Sunday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- I guess I'm not clear on your definition - Hen-Wen on 2010-June-11 10:49:02 EDT, Friday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- Re: So the founding myth is a lie. - qtns2di4 on 2010-June-11 10:38:27 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 2)
- So the founding myth is a lie. - Hen-Wen on 2010-June-11 10:00:50 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 3)
- I don't expect a statist sexist and homophobe... - Sigma on 2010-June-11 01:46:45 EDT, Friday - (1 / 0 / 6)
- Re: I don't expect a statist sexist and homophobe. - Baldur on 2010-June-12 18:19:48 EDT, Saturday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- Trade - qtns2di4 on 2010-June-13 05:33:45 EDT, Sunday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- Oh, yes, I'm a homophobe. And a statist. - Hen-Wen on 2010-June-11 03:52:46 EDT, Friday - (1 / 0 / 3)
- Re: Oh, yes, I'm a homophobe. And a statist. - Baldur on 2010-June-12 18:02:29 EDT, Saturday - (1 / 0 / 2)
- Re: Oh, yes, I'm a homophobe. And a statist. - Lateralus on 2010-June-12 19:06:36 EDT, Saturday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- a few notes - Baldur on 2010-June-13 16:38:08 EDT, Sunday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- Re: Oh, yes, I'm a homophobe. And a statist. - Lateralus on 2010-June-12 19:06:36 EDT, Saturday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- Re: Oh, yes, I'm a homophobe. And a statist. - Baldur on 2010-June-12 18:02:29 EDT, Saturday - (1 / 0 / 2)
- Re: I don't expect a statist sexist and homophobe. - Baldur on 2010-June-12 18:19:48 EDT, Saturday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- It was 13 colonies, not 1
- qtns2di4 on 2010-June-11 08:07:08 EDT, Friday - (1 / 0 / 4)
- 'Self-Reliance' - Hen-Wen on 2010-June-11 01:08:44 EDT, Friday - (1 / 0 / 12)
- I just wish... - Dissident on 2010-June-11 04:45:28 EDT, Friday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- Scandinavia is not ONE nation - Scotty on 2010-June-11 03:38:02 EDT, Friday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- true - was speaking generally - Baldur on 2010-June-14 12:49:11 EDT, Monday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- Capitalism and Socialism are not exclusive. - Hen-Wen on 2010-June-11 01:12:29 EDT, Friday - (1 / 0 / 4)
- Re: Capitalism and Socialism are not exclusive. - Sigma on 2010-June-11 02:12:50 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 3)
- Where have I ever said anything about gun control? - Hen-Wen on 2010-June-11 03:44:50 EDT, Friday - (1 / 0 / 2)
- Thank you, Henny :-) - Sigma on 2010-June-11 04:14:59 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 1)
- Wow, that's one mighty impressive straw man. - Hen-Wen on 2010-June-11 09:58:29 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 0)
- Thank you, Henny :-) - Sigma on 2010-June-11 04:14:59 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 1)
- Where have I ever said anything about gun control? - Hen-Wen on 2010-June-11 03:44:50 EDT, Friday - (1 / 0 / 2)
- Re: Capitalism and Socialism are not exclusive. - Sigma on 2010-June-11 02:12:50 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 3)
- Re: There are several flaws in your analysis - Sigma on 2010-June-11 12:45:34 EDT, Friday - (1 / 0 / 13)
- Swedish police raid Pirate Bay ISP - Sigma on 2010-June-10 22:38:22 EDT, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- Riots in Malmö, Sweden - Sigma on 2010-June-10 22:33:40 EDT, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 3)
- Good on them, that they have the guts to riot - Scotty on 2010-June-11 03:52:47 EDT, Friday - (1 / 0 / 2)
- No riots in America? ROTFL - Sigma on 2010-June-11 05:16:19 EDT, Friday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- Riots? Where? When? ROTFL - Scotty on 2010-June-11 06:33:31 EDT, Friday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- No riots in America? ROTFL - Sigma on 2010-June-11 05:16:19 EDT, Friday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- Good on them, that they have the guts to riot - Scotty on 2010-June-11 03:52:47 EDT, Friday - (1 / 0 / 2)
- Re: There are several flaws in your analysis - Sigma on 2010-June-10 22:30:34 EDT, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- To address your points: - Scotty on 2010-June-11 03:46:37 EDT, Friday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- Re: There are several flaws in your analysis - qtns2di4 on 2010-June-10 19:09:14 EDT, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 6)
- NO, it is not enough said - Scotty on 2010-June-11 03:51:22 EDT, Friday - (1 / 0 / 5)
- Ah yes, those Haitians and Congolese
- qtns2di4 on 2010-June-11 07:56:47 EDT, Friday - (1 / 0 / 4)
- Re: Maori - Baldust on 2010-June-14 01:16:23 EDT, Monday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- When you mess up, you do it bigtime - Scotty on 2010-June-11 09:37:53 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 2)
- Re: When you mess up, you do it bigtime - qtns2di4 on 2010-June-11 10:31:47 EDT, Friday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- Check their cancer rates - Scotty on 2010-June-13 12:09:48 EDT, Sunday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- Re: When you mess up, you do it bigtime - qtns2di4 on 2010-June-11 10:31:47 EDT, Friday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- Ah yes, those Haitians and Congolese
- qtns2di4 on 2010-June-11 07:56:47 EDT, Friday - (1 / 0 / 4)
- NO, it is not enough said - Scotty on 2010-June-11 03:51:22 EDT, Friday - (1 / 0 / 5)
- Re: There are several flaws in your analysis - Baldur on 2010-June-11 12:32:35 EDT, Friday - (1 / 0 / 22)
- Thank you!!! - qtns2di4 on 2010-June-10 06:48:10 EDT, Thursday - (0 / 0 / 3)
- Bullshit; you're as blind as he is - Scotty on 2010-June-10 16:28:55 EDT, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- If you bothered to read my above response... - Dissident on 2010-June-10 08:44:20 EDT, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- Re: If you bothered to read my above response... - qtns2di4 on 2010-June-10 19:10:24 EDT, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- Let me correct something - Dissident on 2010-June-09 06:39:29 EDT, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- There are several flaws in your analysis - Scotty on 2010-June-10 16:25:43 EDT, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 37)