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Oy vey...

Posted by jd420 on Thursday, November 13 2008 at 04:41:51AM
In reply to Healthline's article on pedophilia--feedback? posted by Iron Marxist on Wednesday, November 12 2008 at 11:26:45AM

take this baby apart point-by-point?

~sigh~ Okay...

Pedophilia is a paraphilia

As a legal fiction is not a scientific finding, this is false. No evidence whatsoever has been established that sexual arousal to "inanimate objects or nonconsenting persons" is at all present - meaning it has not met its burden to qualify as a "paraphilia."

that involves an abnormal interest in children.

Until abnormal is defined, pedophilia cannot even potentially involve an abnormal interest in "children."

Pedophilia is also a psychosexual disorder

Whereas there is no category titled "psychosexual disorders" in the DSM, this statement is false.

in which the fantasy or actual act of engaging in sexual activity with prepubertal children is the preferred or exclusive means of achieving sexual excitement and gratification.

False; the DSM does not require one to be predominantly pedophilic to be pedophilic.

It may be directed toward children of the same sex or children of the other sex. Some pedophiles are attracted to both boys and girls.

Genius way to list "all possible things." However, they forgot hermaphrodites and the intersex, which are also a possibility.

Shame on them.

Some are attracted only to children, while others are attracted to adults as well as to children.

Nice of them to debunk their own prior claims of exclusivity being a requirement.

Pedophilia is defined by mental health professionals as a mental disorder

False.

While being uncomfortable with one's pedophilic sexual orientation is a disorder, having a pedophilic sexual orientation is not.

but the American legal system defines acting on a pedophilic urge as a criminal act.

False.

Writing pedophilic love poetry is protected speech, whereas raping a child due to nonpedophilic urges is the same sentence heading. The presence or absence of a motivation in an act is not criminally defined.

The focus of pedophilia is sexual activity with a child.

False. In fact, it varies wildly.

Many courts interpret this reference to age to mean children under the age of 18.

False. No court has, to date, interpreted the meaning of "pedophilia."

Most mental health professionals, however, confine the definition of pedophilia to sexual activity with prepubescent children

Probably false in that I could grab a handful of uninformed mental health individuals, but yes, that is its meaning.

The sexual behaviors involved in pedophilia cover a range of activities

False. This sentence assumes a priori behaviors not in evidence to the universiality of the population.

and may or may not involve the use of force.

Again, false. The absence of any specific behavior cannot involve the presence or absence of force, as there is no "behavior" to be evaluated under such criteria.

Some pedophiles limit their behaviors to exposing themselves or masturbating in front of the child

False. When no "behaviors" are present, someone engaging in "behaviors" cannot be said to be "limit{ing} their behaviors" in any factual sense.

Others, however, compel the child to participate in oral sex or full genital intercourse.

False. No orientational study has been done to date regarding correlations between orientation and the presence of compulsion, leaving the number of "pedophiles found to compel a child" at zero until further study.

The most common overt aspect of pedophilia is an intense interest in children.

False. "Intense" is not particularly proven to be universal, and in fact people have been met with a highly-exclusive sexual orientation (and exclusivity is not required) who would much rather talk about politics, science, sports, or other things.

There is no typical pedophile.

True - but it also debunks everything else they've said in the piece.

Pedophiles may be young or old, male or female

True.

although the great majority are males.

False. This is actually fairly unestablished.

Unfortunately, some pedophiles are professionals who are entrusted with educating or maintaining the health and well-being of young persons

False. They have not established any way in which this is "unfortunate."

while others are entrusted with children to whom they are related by blood or marriage.

At this point, I'm seriously wondering how often 'pedophiles' marry a preschooler, anyway.

Nonetheless, their implication is false - most intrafamilial offenders are plain-vanilla heterosexual.

A variety of different theories exist as to the causes of pedophilia.

Probably the most vapid sentence that could ever be written - but by virtue of not particularly asserting anything, true.

A few researchers attribute pedophilia along with the other paraphilias to biology.

True.

They hold that testosterone...

False.

While there may exist testosterone-mediated theories, none of the biological studies I have found referenced or involved testosterone, and therefore stating that the biological argument for sexual orientation is comprised solely of testosterone-mediated theories is an outright lie.

one of the male sex hormones, predisposes men to develop deviant sexual behaviors

- they haven't actually proven any accurate gender distribution.

- they haven't proven that any alleged gender distribution is hormonal rather than ~cough~ genetic, the usual vector for sex-linked outcomes, and...

- they haven't established "pedophilia" as "deviant."

Ergo, this sentence fragment is an outright lie.

As far as genetic factors are concerned, as of 2002 no researchers have claimed to have discovered or mapped a gene for pedophilia.

While technically true, 100% of the known heritability studies to date have found it to be genetically heritable.

Most experts regard pedophilia as resulting from psychosocial factors rather than biological characteristics.

False; of the biological inquiries to date (heritability & CAT), 100% that I have heard of have found a biological basis.

Since actually having inquired into biology vs psychosociality is required to be an expert into biology vs psychosociality, the assertion is an outright lie.

Some think

A charming set of words.

Some researchers think that "pedophiles" are merely gods made manifest among mortals. Seriously, I could dig up a frontperson to claim this is their theory, which illustrates how useless "some researchers" is.

However, to adress a few specifics...

Some think that pedophilia is the result of having been sexually abused as a child.

"Homosexual seduction" and "pedophilic seduction" have been thoroughly debunked.

This drive for domination is sometimes thought to explain why most pedophiles are males.

"Most pedophiles being males" has not been established.

Quite frankly, the fact that "some researchers" can't find anything to say that isn't ludicrously insulting is somewhat... illustrative of bias itself, and pretty much scraps all the science in their court.

Symptoms

A pedophile is often very attractive


Well, that's a charming symptom to have.

Tragically, it's probably not universally true. :(

Too bad. It'd be cool if we were all "the sexy people."

the children who are potential victims.

False. Viewing others as "potential victims" is not a part of pedophilia, and is an independent variable unrelated to sexual orientation.

Potential pedophiles

...are impossible. One either is, or is not. It doesn't exactly allow for any grey area.

may volunteer their services to athletic teams, Scout troops, or religious or civic organizations that serve youth.

As this is in the "symptoms" category, can we presume that no non-pedophiles have these "symptoms?"

In some cases, pedophiles who are attracted to children within their extended family may offer to baby-sit for their relatives.

Again - these "symptoms" are diagnostic of pedophilia?

Some pedophiles offer rationalizations or excuses that enable them to avoid assuming responsibility for their actions.

Everyone who's ever done this is a pedophile?

It's listed as a symptom. Let's start diagnosing.

They may blame the children for being too attractive or sexually provocative. They may also maintain that they are "teaching" the child about "the facts of life" or "love"

A man of straw does not a "diagnostic criterion" make.

this rationalization is frequently offered by pedophiles who have molested children related to them.

...who we know are not "pedophiles."

Apparently, these are symptoms of heterosexuality, by the author's claims.

All these rationalizations may be found in pornography with pedophilic themes.

I didn't know that photographs had an audio narrative.

Pedophilia is one of the more common paraphilias; the large worldwide market for child pornography suggests that it is more frequent in the general population than prison statistics would indicate.

True, though "child pornography" is rather a shit indicator.

Together with voyeurismand exhibitionism, pedophilia is one of the three paraphilias most commonly leading to arrest by the police.

False; neither the arrest rate among "pedophiles" nor the pedophilia rate among arrestes is herein established.

The onset of pedophilia usually occurs during adolescence.

Questionable; the childhood retrospective sexual interest studies suggest a much earlier "onset," and several other indicators suggest "lifelong."

Occasional pedophiles begin their activities

"Pedophiles" do not have defining activities, and pedophilia is independent of activity.

In the United States, about 50% of men arrested for pedophilia

There has been no one arrested for pedophilia to date.

The closest in history involves persons arrested for political dissent.

The frequency of behavior associated with pedophilia

Sexual orientation =/= any act. There is no "behavior associated with pedophilia."

varies with psychosocial stress. As the pedophile's stress levels increase, the frequency of his or her acting out generally rises also.

They have not supplied the orientational data - which, in general, argues for non-pedophiles in this dataset.

Furthermore, "acting out" is a made-up word. Try to parse it as literal english, and it becomes the difference between an indoor and outdoor shakespeare festival.

Pedophilia is more common among males than among females.

Unestablished.

In addition, the rate of recidivism for persons with a pedophilic preference for males is approximately twice that of pedophiles who prefer females.

Note how cute it is that they try to equivocate "sexual orientation" and "personal gender."

The use of deception in man-hating as a cover for fag-bashing is certainly... illuminating.

Little is known about the incidence of pedophilia in different racial or ethnic groups.

This is true, with one exception - they appear to be present.

Our race is ancient, older than the great migration. rawk.

According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders...

Yes. This appears to be a true quote.

One difficulty with the diagnosis of the disorder is that persons with pedophilia rarely seek help voluntarily from mental health professionals. Instead, counseling and treatment is often the result of a court order. An interview that establishes the criteria for diagnosis listed above may be enough to diagnose the condition, or surveillance or Internet records obtained through the criminal investigation may also be used.

It is a difficulty with the diagnosis, when the outcome of the finding is court-ordered... is it not?

An additional complication in diagnosis is that the paraphilias as a group have a high rate of comorbidity with one another...

...which, last I heard, the sexual orientation of "pedophilia" was an exception.

At least, none of the pedophiles in the heritability studies had any paraphilic comorbidity.

In 2002, the most common form of treatment for pedophilia is psychotherapy

False; there is no attempt to differentiate sexual orientation in court-ordered political reeducation, and there is no "therapy" for sexual orientation.

Pedophilia may also be treated with medications

False; there is no attempt to differentiate sexual orientation in court-ordered political reeducation, and there is no "therapy" for sexual orientation.

Increasingly, pedophiles are being prosecuted under criminal statutes and being sentenced to prison terms.

False; there is no evidence of the sexual orientation of persons prosecuted whatsoever.

In 2002, many states have begun to publish the names of persons being released from prison after serving time for pedophilia.

False. To date, no one has "serv{ed} time for pedophilia." The closest to date is serving time for political dissent.

The prognosis of successfully ending pedophilic habits

There are no "pedophilic habits." No such thing exists.

among persons who practice pedophilia is not favorable.

It is not possible to "practice pedophilia." It is not a religion and does not have tenets.

The rate of prosecution for pedophiles through the criminal justice system has increased in recent years.

False. Healthline has no information whatsoever on the sexual orientation of persons prosecuted.

Pedophiles are at high risk of being beaten or killed by other prison inmates... Knowledge of the likelihood of abuse by prison personnel and inmates is not, however, an effective deterrent for most pedophiles.

This is basically utter bullshit.

Interestingly enough, reports from the field suggest that while inmate violence is essentially unheard of, a minority of illegal abuse by prison personnel is a presence.

Some theorists might suggest that the answer to illegal and immoral behavior being confined to the guard populace is contained within the stanford prison experiment.

The main method for preventing pedophilia is avoiding situations that may promote pedophilic acts.

This does not prevent nor affect pedophilia, nor is there even such thing as "pedophilic acts."

Children should never be allowed to in one-on-one situations with any adult other than their parents or trustworthy family members.

Umm...

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/pubs/cm06/figure5_2.htm

NO.

An ironic side note is that, presumably, since the author presumably spent more than six months on the "recurrent thoughts" required to create an article largly about "sexual behaviors with children," and since the article "causes imparement in social distress or functioning" by so drastically promoting sexual violence against children and youth, the author successfully manages to qualify for the DSM's broad definition of a "pedophile."

Way to go, guys.

Another basis of preventing pedophilia is education.

False. Education cannot change a person's sexual orientation.

Adults who work with youth must be taught to avoid situations that may be construed as promoting pedophilia.

Political reeducation contrary to the noncomplicity requirements of the convention on genocide will also not change any person's sexual orientation.

The Boy Scouts of America has tried to address the problem of pedophilia by...

...banishing homosexuality.

I know, just know, that somewhere, there's someone shouting "I did it for the lulz" regarding their adoption of that policy.






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