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Posted by Dante on Saturday, September 20 2008 at 3:37:20PM
In reply to Re: What's So Bad About Child Love? posted by 3883962 on Saturday, September 20 2008 at 1:44:57PM

The act of sex with a child could pemenantley psychologically damage a child and therefore it cannot be allowed in any circimstaces to have sex with children weather harm is caused or not,

Disproven by the Rind Reports.

it can turn them into a pedophile and most people dont want to be a pedophile, ever heard that victims of sexual abuse go on to do it themselves?

Your equation Pedophilia/Pedophile=Child Abuse/Child Abuser is demonstrably false as I cited recently by referring to national stats on sources of Child-Abuse and the writings of Kenneth Lanning FBI ( ret.)

If it is allowed then there will sureley be much more cases of damage done to children and therefore it cannot be allowed. Also it messes them up in all sorts of ways, there is ALLWAYS some damage done and myself personally i wouldnt hurt a fly so theres no chance of me doing it.

Please prove, despite peer-reviewed evidence to the contrary, your assertion that Sex=Harm. And also please cite your sources to establish when and if such prohibitive harm goes away. You may pick any natal anniversary of choice, but you must demonstrate a substantive difference within the individual in the 12 hours prior to and the 12 hours after such a magical threshold event to establish that it is neither arbitrary nor capricious.

Perhaps if we all had sex with children then it would all be okay because people wouldnt care if they were pedophiles but thats not the case, we dont all have sex with children and actually doing it isnt going to change anything,

Your equation Pedophile=Pederast is also false; I suggest you consult a reputable dictionary. Additionally you may find that it neither satisfies the APA definition of Pedophile nor the Law Enforcement definitions of Sex Offender.

also many people have the "yuck factor" they find the thought of sex with a child disgusting, like eating turds or something like that and so they dont like the thought of that happening to their own children.

Some people think that eating Sushi is "yucky." Many of my younger friends say likewise about Brussels Sprouts. Please establish how this should be allowed to translate into the persecution of those whose tastes differ. And while doing so, feel free to establish a correlation between different food preferences and "armed robbery" or other criminal activity.

IMO sex with children is like putting on a clown costume and running aroung outsite shitting in your hand and throwing it at passers by screaming insults at them, its totally weird and a really nasty thing to do to somebody, if evereybody was running about doing that it wouldnt be a nice place to live.

Please cite your sources for your equation Sexual Activity= Criminal Battery and Public Obscenity Though do be careful to avoid arguments which compel one to ban all consent ( see MacKinnon & Dworkin,) unless you don't mind putting an end to Heterosexual activity.

If you have a sexual preference for children that makes you a pedophile because there is a good chance you will act upon the urge,

Please cite your sources on Pedophilia=Self Control Issues. Note; the APA doesn't cite one in its references to the other.

theres nothing else that turns you on so you will become obsessed and addicted to the thought of doing it,

Please cite your sources which allow you to equate Pedophilia to OCD and to Sexual Addiction. While doing so you may want to assist the "professionals" with shoring up the shaky and oft-disputed notion that there is such a thing as "sex addiction." Though do keep in mind that no "professional" would argue that sex addiction in the Hetero population is dependent on their lack of interests in other activities. ( And in doing just that, you've just made a fine argument for all Heteros becomeing Bi-Pedophiles in order to keep their options open on a Saturday night.)

I dont personally agree with this i honestley believe it should only be if you actually do something to a kid, but how can anybody tell if you have or not and people are protective of children, and i would presume you yourself actually like children and wouldnt want to hurt them, but this isnt the same with all pedophiles some are sadistic and they do it because they want to hurt the child.

Please cite Case Law to establish that the failure to distinguish between Criminal and Non-Criminal activities in combination with the "desire to protect" has ever exonerated someone accused of Hate or Bias-Crime.

If I was a pedophile and I could put a label on it id say id be the non-exclusive type, I can be sexually aroused by both adults and children or anything sexual that is new, anything new produces more arousal and feels a bit diffrent. but if that was the truth then 1 in 4 men (or much more) would be pedophiles, and that just cant be right can it?

But you aren't.

And Peds can't. ( ♪"Look for the Union label...."♪ )

While there is a link between novelty and an increase in desire vis a vis sexual partners within the same orientation and activity, there is no indication that a Heterosexual Male would find being the receptive partner for another man more arousing or addictive just because of its novelty value. But seeing as how there's an inverse relationship between relaxation around a partner and their novelty; and seeing as how lack of relaxation can inhibit orgasm, it really varies enough in the population to not be a significant factor.

Arousal patterns vary, and don't translate to any ability to choose or change ones orientation. ( A concept discredited by the APA.)

Basically i think its wrong because it hurts children to actually do it,

Please cite post-19th century sexology sources to support your equation All Sexual Activity=or< Penetrative Intercourse.

and evereybodys going to hate you because of that,

Or because I don't worship their God. Or because I read comic books. Or because I ......

Please name an example of someone who has managed to avoid being hated by another.

and you never know there could be reasons for it that you just dont know about,

I can't spend my life avoiding choices which might upset the tinfoil-hat crowd. And I won't spend my life trying to avoid offending bigots. ( Ooops, too late on the miscegenation part.)

i think people would think it would make you pretty much a murderer if you fantisised about killing people all the time, imagine a guy whoos been obsessing about killing people now for 10 years and his house is decorated with knives and hes a member of a community of other people just like him on the internet that like discussing how much they would love to murder people.

Please establish your equation Sex=Murder. Also cite case law on any Capital cases where the offender's fantasy life was the sole offense resulting in a conviction.

someday somebodys getting murdered so i guess people arent too fond of the people who cause this, and sometimes pedophiles do murder their victims so i guess thats another unignorable factor.

Please cite your Psychology sources which equate Pedophilia to Pederasty and your Law Enforcement sources which show the Homicide Unit investigating alleged cases of Pederasty.

From a legal standpoint, Murderers commit murder. Quantifying them by orientation, religion or race when its been proven to be irrelevant can get a case thrown-out and may constitute hate-speech. Only if you wish to let the murderers of children go free would you characterize them through prejudicial and irrational descriptions.

Yeah thats a bit of an exaduration pedophillias not as bad as murder, but its getting there i guess.

It never will, even if its treated as such. No more so than race-mixing is a capital-offense.

Dante

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